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MD
mdtauk
itsrobert posted:
Current News 24 is most definitely not in a studio - it's slap bang in the middle of an office (as is BBC World). That's why you get the background noise. I agree entirely that moving to N6 will ruin the atmosphere of the channel. Moreover, the combination of sharing a studio and simulcasting with the Nationals will severely hinder the rolling news element of News 24. That's why I mentioned the decline of N24 a few weeks ago. If it is going to be like that many people may decide to jump ship to other news channels.


What's to stop them "pumping" in sound from the newsroom into the live broadcast, then turn it off for the National news? That with a Live Feed of the News 24 Newsroom or even World's (as I assume the newsroom isn't being mothballed just the gallery and set) on the backing display, it may not be too bad, its just the lack of seperability between News 24 and the Nationals
IT
itsrobert Founding member
Brekkie posted:
itsrobert posted:
If it is going to be like that many people may decide to jump ship to other news channels.



Really though where are they going to go?

Sky News's future is far from certain, while there aren't going to be too many opportunities at CNN and Al Jazerra.


Even with redundancies looming, if people can cling on to their job at the BBC there really isn't going to be anywhere else which offers more job security.


And frankly, I'm sure many of those at News 24 would prefer the half an hour off for lunch than to be stuck talking about some irrelevant breaking news anyway - as after all, if it was relevant it would creep into the 1pm bulletin. If not, there is no harm in waiting half an hour to cover it - and IMO it's better to take some time to get the facts straight rather than switch to Sky News speculative mode!


Sorry, I meant viewers not BBC staff. I should have been more clear.
BR
Brekkie
itsrobert posted:
Sorry, I meant viewers not BBC staff. I should have been more clear.



Well the viewers don't have much choice either.
LO
looknorth
nat210790 posted:
martinDTanderson posted:


Really good designs - I'm just not keen on the whole idea of a rolling news channel coming from such a studio as N6 - like someone said earlier, the whole atmosphere of a busy, bustling newsroom will be lost - the reason the channel works so well now is it is in the heart of the newsroom itself (or am I wrong? Embarassed ) ...i.e. it's not in a "studio" as such, but is obviously separted by the railings and perspex.


Yes I agree world should take poopy N6 and move all of the nationals to N8 with breakfast in TC7.So there is a consistant look for all the nationals.
GR
gregmc
All I can say is lets hope News 24 returns to a newsroom setting when they move to Broadcasting House in 2010/2012 whatever the date is these days.
IT
itsrobert Founding member
Brekkie posted:
itsrobert posted:
Sorry, I meant viewers not BBC staff. I should have been more clear.



Well the viewers don't have much choice either.


Well if N24 viewers are watching a news conference and are confronted with the only option of BBCi in order to keep watching (as was the case today at 1pm) how many are going to be bothered fiddling about with red buttons and menus? Most middle-aged and older people I know cannot operate BBCi at all - in fact, I'm the only person I know who uses it. Most other people stick to Ceefax. In any case, by the time BBCi has loaded on most televisions the news conference would probably be over! For most people, it would just be easier to switch to Sky News who would most probably be carrying it in its entirety. Once they're on Sky, how many would switch back after the conference ends....?
DU
Dunedin
Once again I fail to see why covering a press conference requires a presenter and a studio. News 24 could simply have continued showing the press conference with the final words from the presenter being: "tune to BBC One for the 1 O'clock news".

At the end of the press conference you simply crash into the One at the next story junction...sure it's not the most finesse-ful solution, but it's better than relegating a news conference to BBCi.

The other alternative is to use the interactive studio for any further brief presentation post-conference before crashing into the One.

As for Martin's mock studio- fine but I don't think it maximises the "upgrade" of News 24's space. It's basically plonking the desk in one bit of a bigger space.

I hope they have a desk presentation area, a "newswall" area and a "soft" presentation area...by soft I don't mean sofas, but a less rigid area more conducive to analysis with multiple guests.

I don't think such changes would hugely limit how long it takes to clear the studio for the national bulletins, which really only need the desk area.
IT
itsrobert Founding member
I may be wrong but I doubt that it would be technically possible for N8's gallery to output both the conference and the One O'Clock News on separate channels. N8 doesn't have a presentation suite (like BBC World does) - it's all rolled into one. I'm willing to be corrected, though, from someone in the know.
DA
Davidjb Founding member
itsrobert posted:
Brekkie posted:
itsrobert posted:
Sorry, I meant viewers not BBC staff. I should have been more clear.



Well the viewers don't have much choice either.


Well if N24 viewers are watching a news conference and are confronted with the only option of BBCi in order to keep watching (as was the case today at 1pm) how many are going to be bothered fiddling about with red buttons and menus? Most middle-aged and older people I know cannot operate BBCi at all - in fact, I'm the only person I know who uses it. Most other people stick to Ceefax. In any case, by the time BBCi has loaded on most televisions the news conference would probably be over! For most people, it would just be easier to switch to Sky News who would most probably be carrying it in its entirety. Once they're on Sky, how many would switch back after the conference ends....?


I agree with your point about telling people to switch to BBCi, not many people i know can operate it easily and It does seem to take longer & longer to load these days too (Sky+). Most people would probably just not bother with it.

As for all the simulcasting of National News on News 24, i think the only real problem is not being able to seperate News 24 & the One. There is always a lot of political activity during the daytime which News 24 covers. Not being able to break away from the One could delay vital breaking news that other channels may be covering (although not necesserily of great importance to the One's agenda as it is more of a "whats happened so far / going to happen" program as opposed to the "Now Factor" of News 24). It isn't such a problem for the Six as this will remain in a seperate studio and can be dropped from the News 24 running order & by the time we get to the Ten most "predictable" breaking News will be over with. The Ten fits in more with News 24's schedule as it is more of a heavy weight programme.

I personally think we are starting to see the end in sight for the 1. Once News 24 take it under their wing we could see a gradual decline in its presentation as a program and maybe more like 30 minutes of News 24 on BBC One. Certainly back in the early days of UK Today (DSat BBC One opt out instead of regional news provided by BBC News 24) if there was breaking news that collided with UK Today, BBC One DSat just joined News 24 for the duration of the regional news segment. Ok slightly different situation as UK Today only had a handfull of viewers at the time but the theory is still the same.
DA
Davidjb Founding member
itsrobert posted:
I may be wrong but I doubt that it would be technically possible for N8's gallery to output both the conference and the One O'Clock News on separate channels. N8 doesn't have a presentation suite (like BBC World does) - it's all rolled into one. I'm willing to be corrected, though, from someone in the know.


Your spot on. N8 can only output one channel/program at a time, it's not possible to split. N8 can produce the 1 if somewhere else picks up News 24 (although this requires a re-route for News 24 in the transmission suite). It has been done before where News 24 was on location for the duration of the 1 and N8 produced the 1.
BR
Brekkie
itsrobert posted:
Brekkie posted:
itsrobert posted:
Sorry, I meant viewers not BBC staff. I should have been more clear.



Well the viewers don't have much choice either.


Well if N24 viewers are watching a news conference and are confronted with the only option of BBCi in order to keep watching (as was the case today at 1pm) how many are going to be bothered fiddling about with red buttons and menus? Most middle-aged and older people I know cannot operate BBCi at all - in fact, I'm the only person I know who uses it.



I'll be as presumptuous as you are being in suggesting most older and middle aged people would rather watch the 1pm news anyway.


Another issue is that in that with the One o'clock News being signed on News 24, by staying with a press conference (which more often than not in the grand scheme of things actually isn't vitally important) they are removing the BBC's deaf viewers of the only signed bulletin of the day.
DA
Davidjb Founding member
Dunedin posted:
The other alternative is to use the interactive studio for any further brief presentation post-conference before crashing into the One.


It's not possible to use the interactive studio for News 24. It simply doesn't have the kit needed to produce the channel. You would still have to run it through another staffed gallery somewhere before it could get to air.

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