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GaryC
Inspector Sands posted:
GaryC posted:
The alarming amount of state pr that appears unquestioned is like a soviet state:


'state pr' ? local councils and the NHS aren't really 'the state' (well unless you're a paranoid conspiracy theorist!)

I agree that perhaps the programmes should question things more, but without items from publically owned institutions there wouldn't be a lot else to report on. These programmes don't have the resources to have lots of reporters 'off-rota' finding and investigating original stories


Of course local councils are the state! they have the power to track your phone calls and location via mobile phone, can spy on you at will and have done so to a greater extent than the police. No paranoia, just fact.

Every single UK, European and World govermental, educational, financial or judicial body views views local government and the NHS as state bodies! To suggest otherwise is incredibly stupid.

Whilst off diary stuff does take more planning and costs a little more, it does not cost a penny more to just ask proper questions.

Factual stories (eg Two men were taken to hospital followinmg a car crash that closed the road) from public bodies are one thing. Anything that comes froma press office and has words like 'crackdown' on it should be treated with care.
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mdtauk
Will News 24 prepare anything special to report on the name change.
- A look back over the last 11 years?
- Classic countdown?
- Classic Presentation Clips?
- Montage of titles?
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AaronLancs
If I can add my two pennys worth on the BBC News 24 rename I think the handover on BBC One would be like:
(Hypothetical Situation Mode On)
'...coming up on BBC News all the days entertainment news and why books are making a resurgence among the teenage audience
[Presenter waits a beat while BBC News Sting plays]
and here on BBC One it's time to join our newsteams across the UK bye for now...'
(Hypothetical Situation Mode Off)
Thats my way of doing it.
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Chie
martinDTanderson posted:
Will News 24 prepare anything special to report on the name change.
- A look back over the last 11 years?
- Classic countdown?
- Classic Presentation Clips?
- Montage of titles?


I highly doubt it. This is BBC News we're talking about, not BBC One.
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adamcobb55
martinDTanderson posted:
Will News 24 prepare anything special to report on the name change.
- A look back over the last 11 years?
- Classic countdown?
- Classic Presentation Clips?
- Montage of titles?

Given they celebrated their 10th Birthday by completely ignoring it I'd be surprised. You never know though!
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mdtauk
amr86 posted:
If I can add my two pennys worth on the BBC News 24 rename I think the handover on BBC One would be like:
(Hypothetical Situation Mode On)
'...coming up on BBC News all the days entertainment news and why books are making a resurgence among the teenage audience
[Presenter waits a beat while BBC News Sting plays]
and here on BBC One it's time to join our newsteams across the UK bye for now...'
(Hypothetical Situation Mode Off)
Thats my way of doing it.


Thats good and all, but, News 24 has nowehere to cut off to after the pause, as BBC News Channel is in the same studio as the National News now...
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mdtauk
Chie posted:
I highly doubt it. This is BBC News we're talking about, not BBC One.


However BBC News has the benefit of being able to report on the changes like any other report, and they could forgo the countdown before joining "The World Today" to do something, or even have a 30min programme they could slip in instead of something like "our World" or Reporters (as if that would be likely)

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Can I take this opportunity to make a request of anyone who works for BBC

News 24. With the changing of the channel, is it possible for some of the old

branding stuff being distributed on DVD at all. There is very liitle good quality

flag footage still existing, and it would be nice to have a high quality archive,

either of the presentation or even full hours from the channel's output.
IS
Inspector Sands
GaryC posted:

Of course local councils are the state! they have the power to track your phone calls and location via mobile phone, can spy on you at will and have done so to a greater extent than the police. No paranoia, just fact.


No, there's no paranoia there at all! Rolling Eyes

Even if they had the power, why would a local council want to track your mobile phone calls? They're far more interested in roads, rubbish etc and in some cases they can't even get those right!

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Every single UK, European and World govermental, educational, financial or judicial body views views local government and the NHS as state bodies! To suggest otherwise is incredibly stupid.


They are public bodies, but to make out they are part of a big organisation: 'the state' rather than the seperate autonomous organisations that they actually are is misleading.

On a theoretical ideological level, they are part of a 'state apparatus' but only that. It's the sort of 'them and us' thing that is the very meat of conspiracy nuts

Quote:

Whilst off diary stuff does take more planning and costs a little more, it does not cost a penny more to just ask proper questions.

Factual stories (eg Two men were taken to hospital followinmg a car crash that closed the road) from public bodies are one thing. Anything that comes froma press office and has words like 'crackdown' on it should be treated with care.


As I said in my last post I agree there should be more questioning in all news stories. Journos will often just take a story at face value rather than make basic questions, especially when it comes to business stories, technology and the internet... have a look at this for example
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Noelfirl
martinDTanderson posted:
However BBC News has the benefit of being able to report on the changes like any other report, and they could forgo the countdown before joining "The World Today" to do something, or even have a 30min programme they could slip in instead of something like "our World" or Reporters (as if that would be likely)


They're very unlikely to be doing anything like that at all Martin, so please, calm down and put it back in your pants.
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GaryC
well inspector: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/12/nspy112.xml

1,000 spy cases a month - many for trivia.

To do this in any other major democracy would require a court order and evidence of wrong doing - and be reserved for high level crime

Data tracking your mobile phone location for the last 2 years is stored (under protest) by all phone companies as councils can access that.

Anyway, way of topic....should we not be talking about the cold news branding that makes the BBC look like a staecoach bus destination map?
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AaronLancs
martinDTanderson posted:
amr86 posted:
If I can add my two pennys worth on the BBC News 24 rename I think the handover on BBC One would be like:
(Hypothetical Situation Mode On)
'...coming up on BBC News all the days entertainment news and why books are making a resurgence among the teenage audience
[Presenter waits a beat while BBC News Sting plays with a promotional trailer for a specialist programme i.e. Click, Hardtalk etc. (Toal length of this .30-.40 seconds should be enough.)]
and here on BBC One it's time to join our newsteams across the UK bye for now...'
(Hypothetical Situation Mode Off)
Thats my way of doing it.


Thats good and all, but, News 24 has nowehere to cut off to after the pause, as BBC News Channel is in the same studio as the National News now...


MDTA i've added parts.
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mdtauk
Hmm, thats slightly more doable...

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