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(March 2013)

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TVNewsviewer
NYTV posted:
ALV posted:
Why does the BBCNC TOTH countdown in the midnight does not sync with the BBCWN TOTH countdown during overnight simulcasts? As you can see in the opening sequence video below, the BBCWN countdown sequence is 2 seconds late:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8otovVZOac

They are two separate channels with their own galleries, I presume. And since BBCWN has adverts in between programming and the like, BBCNC has to wait until they can join World. It's not really joining in "late" or "early" (technical cockups notwithstanding) but waiting for their cue to join. (e.g. of that: BBC Two was kept on standby for 5 minutes with a static "BBC Two" Bounce ident until it could join with BBC One to form "BBC Television News" and announce the Queen Mother's passing some years back). That's why some countdowns are shorter or longer and can air sans a clock to fill time.


Yes that was a bit of a cockup back then, and "not the BBC's finest hour" (if we adapt a phrase that applied to Independent Radio News at the time when radio stations didn't receive the obit alarm and just went unknowingly straight to the TOTH news). The announcement was made to BBC Two that they would be coming out of their programmes and joining BBC One so it seems they came out almost immediately, when BBC One weren't quite ready, and then spent an age announcing they would be joining BBC One soon, then waiting around and then announcing it again as BBC One still weren't ready, before, finally, at last, joining BBC One as "BBC Television News". They could have done it better, to have a few programme trails (obviously appropriate ones) on BBC Two and then going towards joining BBC One when they were almost ready, not having BBC Two hanging around for what was, indeed, probably only five minutes but seemed like an age. Or BBC Two could have come out of Steptoe and Son IIRC a little later than they did and just before the BBC News bulletin rather than immediately abandoning Steptoe the moment someone must have mentioned the Queen Mother's death to them and then waiting ages for an unready BBC One.
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TVNewsviewer
NYTV posted:
ALV posted:
Why does the BBCNC TOTH countdown in the midnight does not sync with the BBCWN TOTH countdown during overnight simulcasts? As you can see in the opening sequence video below, the BBCWN countdown sequence is 2 seconds late:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8otovVZOac

They are two separate channels with their own galleries, I presume. And since BBCWN has adverts in between programming and the like, BBCNC has to wait until they can join World. It's not really joining in "late" or "early" (technical cockups notwithstanding) but waiting for their cue to join. (e.g. of that: BBC Two was kept on standby for 5 minutes with a static "BBC Two" Bounce ident until it could join with BBC One to form "BBC Television News" and announce the Queen Mother's passing some years back). That's why some countdowns are shorter or longer and can air sans a clock to fill time.


Strange as I always got the impression, watching the News Channel in the UK, that the News Channel was joining BBC World each time when, I am now aware, it is actually the other way around. Another example in life when things are not quite what they seem...

A similar thing can happen (with out-of-sync countdowns) when BBC One joins the News Channel at exactly 1am - BBC One (in England, and presumably occasionally at those or other times in Scotland/NI if they ever do a similar thing) sometimes has its own countdown running until the actual join - this being when there is more time to go until 1am but the countdown on the News Channel has not yet appeared - BBC One, being a split second out of sync, then joins at 1am but invariably messes up slightly and you see the people outside the screen of Broadcasting House moving back by a second or so as it switches from BBC One's own display of its own extended copy of countdown to the News Channel immediately before the presenter appears on air (and then, I now understand, appears on World News a second or so later than that).
RK
Rkolsen
ALV posted:
Why does the BBCNC TOTH countdown in the midnight does not sync with the BBCWN TOTH countdown during overnight simulcasts? As you can see in the opening sequence video below, the BBCWN countdown sequence is 2 seconds late:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8otovVZOac


Since the move to NBH - the NC Countdown is, in effect 58 seconds (88 in some cases - known to directors as the 90")
This was done to allow BBC1/2/World to join the channel cleanly - so the Presenter (Or Titles) are cut to air at the -2" so they get a clean opt in.
So that countdowns didn't have to be altered every hour dependant of when/if a network was or was not joining the decision to make it consistent throughout the day was made so the workflow is the same hour after hour, 7 days a week.
So - if you are being pedantic - the NC actually counts down to xx:58.... but please don't tell the Daily Mail! Smile

BTW - Happy 5th Anniversary BBC World News - 5 years to the day (at Noon) since NBH went on air with GMT.


What’s the bandwidth of the studio output feeds (to Red Bee - I forget who does transmission now a days)? Do you send an uncompressed 1.485 Gbps link or is it a compressed to a lower bandwidth?
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Last edited by Cando on 15 January 2018 11:19am
JW
JamesWorldNews
Alagiah: you’re a legend! Fight it like fury!! Xx
VM
VMPhil
Well, that sucks Sad still one of the Beeb’s best newsreaders and journalists.
CI
cityprod
Cancer is a *******. All the best to Mr Alagiah.
MO
Moz
Crying or Very sad
NE
News96
Oh No-Not again Poor George Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
RE
Rex
Terrible news to hear.

Hopefully Alagiah beats this horrible disease. One of the BBC's very best newsreaders by far.
IL
i-lied
NYTV posted:
ALV posted:
Why does the BBCNC TOTH countdown in the midnight does not sync with the BBCWN TOTH countdown during overnight simulcasts? As you can see in the opening sequence video below, the BBCWN countdown sequence is 2 seconds late:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8otovVZOac

They are two separate channels with their own galleries, I presume. And since BBCWN has adverts in between programming and the like, BBCNC has to wait until they can join World. It's not really joining in "late" or "early" (technical cockups notwithstanding) but waiting for their cue to join. (e.g. of that: BBC Two was kept on standby for 5 minutes with a static "BBC Two" Bounce ident until it could join with BBC One to form "BBC Television News" and announce the Queen Mother's passing some years back). That's why some countdowns are shorter or longer and can air sans a clock to fill time.


Strange as I always got the impression, watching the News Channel in the UK, that the News Channel was joining BBC World each time when, I am now aware, it is actually the other way around. Another example in life when things are not quite what they seem...

A similar thing can happen (with out-of-sync countdowns) when BBC One joins the News Channel at exactly 1am - BBC One (in England, and presumably occasionally at those or other times in Scotland/NI if they ever do a similar thing) sometimes has its own countdown running until the actual join - this being when there is more time to go until 1am but the countdown on the News Channel has not yet appeared - BBC One, being a split second out of sync, then joins at 1am but invariably messes up slightly and you see the people outside the screen of Broadcasting House moving back by a second or so as it switches from BBC One's own display of its own extended copy of countdown to the News Channel immediately before the presenter appears on air (and then, I now understand, appears on World News a second or so later than that).


The News Channel does join World News overnight (I believe World News funds it and the programmes are World News programmes broadcast in the UK). All that is happening is that as World News has playout outside of NBH and the News Channel doesn’t, is that the World News team in Gallery C are providing everything for the News Channel overnIght. Gallery C is providing a regular News Channel service ‘out of hours’, which it was agreed that World News should use when they join up.
WO
Worzel
Such terrible news about George. Sad

Here's the full article... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42688248

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