NE
What have you done...
Hopefully expedited her departure! She has been the worst Head of News ever. We need a Cristina Nicolotti at The BBC!
Oh, Fran..............
What have you done...
Hopefully expedited her departure! She has been the worst Head of News ever. We need a Cristina Nicolotti at The BBC!
NE
What have you done...
Opened a cam or worms that's what-and not only that, there must be something in the Ofcom rules where you have to have a certain amount of news each day.
Oh, Fran..............
What have you done...
Opened a cam or worms that's what-and not only that, there must be something in the Ofcom rules where you have to have a certain amount of news each day.
SO
What have you done...
Opened a cam or worms that's what-and not only that, there must be something in the Ofcom rules where you have to have a certain amount of news each day.
There is of course. But as the recent Newsround alterations have shown, OFCOM can be lobbied to change those rules.
Oh, Fran..............
What have you done...
Opened a cam or worms that's what-and not only that, there must be something in the Ofcom rules where you have to have a certain amount of news each day.
There is of course. But as the recent Newsround alterations have shown, OFCOM can be lobbied to change those rules.
JF
The 7pm bulletin before Brexit/COVID on BBC Four was designed to be the bulletin designed to focus on mainly international news, that was expanded to 9pm in 2015 daily
And look where it was hidden away - on BBC Four. It was available for those who wanted to seek it out but it certainly wasn't mainstream. And the increase in international news on the BBC News Channel has not been because viewers wanted it; it's purely driven by cost savings.
By and large, I'm afraid most people just aren't that interested in news from other countries unless it has an impact on their own country or they are considered allies. For instance, there is more interest in US or Australian news in the UK than there would be for Angolan or Vietnamese.
I had access to BBC World via a satellite dish that I had for about 15 years and, apart from the fantastic presentation at the time, the news content wasn't especially interesting. The more interesting international news (such as about Europe, G7 countries etc) featured on the main BBC1 bulletins anyway and was explained in a way that was more relevant to me as a British viewer. And the rest of the BBC World news content was about far away countries in Asia, Africa or South America. Do I really need to know that Bolivia is having an election?
I know that will probably be an unpopular opinion here, but that's why I think it's important to maintain the main network BBC1 bulletins with a carefully selected mix of UK and world news stories designed for a British audience. The BBC News Channel is dying because there is now too much non-UK news featured on it thanks to all the simulcasts. This must be the first time in 20 years I've hardly even tuned into it. I now associate it with foreign news and gimmicky presentation. My go-to news channel is now Sky News and CNN for US news. I would never in a month of Sundays have said that, particularly about Sky News, 10-15 years ago.
Totally agree with all of this. I give you double kudos. đ€Șđ
Heres the evidence that World News is to be made permanent in the evening "the BBC News channel in the UK and BBC World News globally) with a focus on live, breaking and developing stories but will retain some elements of shared output in the mornings and evenings"
The 7pm bulletin before Brexit/COVID on BBC Four was designed to be the bulletin designed to focus on mainly international news, that was expanded to 9pm in 2015 daily
And look where it was hidden away - on BBC Four. It was available for those who wanted to seek it out but it certainly wasn't mainstream. And the increase in international news on the BBC News Channel has not been because viewers wanted it; it's purely driven by cost savings.
By and large, I'm afraid most people just aren't that interested in news from other countries unless it has an impact on their own country or they are considered allies. For instance, there is more interest in US or Australian news in the UK than there would be for Angolan or Vietnamese.
I had access to BBC World via a satellite dish that I had for about 15 years and, apart from the fantastic presentation at the time, the news content wasn't especially interesting. The more interesting international news (such as about Europe, G7 countries etc) featured on the main BBC1 bulletins anyway and was explained in a way that was more relevant to me as a British viewer. And the rest of the BBC World news content was about far away countries in Asia, Africa or South America. Do I really need to know that Bolivia is having an election?
I know that will probably be an unpopular opinion here, but that's why I think it's important to maintain the main network BBC1 bulletins with a carefully selected mix of UK and world news stories designed for a British audience. The BBC News Channel is dying because there is now too much non-UK news featured on it thanks to all the simulcasts. This must be the first time in 20 years I've hardly even tuned into it. I now associate it with foreign news and gimmicky presentation. My go-to news channel is now Sky News and CNN for US news. I would never in a month of Sundays have said that, particularly about Sky News, 10-15 years ago.
Totally agree with all of this. I give you double kudos. đ€Șđ
Also part of the reason for simulcasting at 9pm is so they don't have four studio's operating. B for Newsnight, C for World, E preparing for ten.
The 7pm bulletin before Brexit/COVID on BBC Four was designed to be the bulletin designed to focus on mainly international news, that was expanded to 9pm in 2015 daily
And look where it was hidden away - on BBC Four. It was available for those who wanted to seek it out but it certainly wasn't mainstream. And the increase in international news on the BBC News Channel has not been because viewers wanted it; it's purely driven by cost savings.
By and large, I'm afraid most people just aren't that interested in news from other countries unless it has an impact on their own country or they are considered allies. For instance, there is more interest in US or Australian news in the UK than there would be for Angolan or Vietnamese.
I had access to BBC World via a satellite dish that I had for about 15 years and, apart from the fantastic presentation at the time, the news content wasn't especially interesting. The more interesting international news (such as about Europe, G7 countries etc) featured on the main BBC1 bulletins anyway and was explained in a way that was more relevant to me as a British viewer. And the rest of the BBC World news content was about far away countries in Asia, Africa or South America. Do I really need to know that Bolivia is having an election?
I know that will probably be an unpopular opinion here, but that's why I think it's important to maintain the main network BBC1 bulletins with a carefully selected mix of UK and world news stories designed for a British audience. The BBC News Channel is dying because there is now too much non-UK news featured on it thanks to all the simulcasts. This must be the first time in 20 years I've hardly even tuned into it. I now associate it with foreign news and gimmicky presentation. My go-to news channel is now Sky News and CNN for US news. I would never in a month of Sundays have said that, particularly about Sky News, 10-15 years ago.
Totally agree with all of this. I give you double kudos. đ€Șđ
Heres the evidence that World News is to be made permanent in the evening "the BBC News channel in the UK and BBC World News globally) with a focus on live, breaking and developing stories but will retain some elements of shared output in the mornings and evenings"
The 7pm bulletin before Brexit/COVID on BBC Four was designed to be the bulletin designed to focus on mainly international news, that was expanded to 9pm in 2015 daily
And look where it was hidden away - on BBC Four. It was available for those who wanted to seek it out but it certainly wasn't mainstream. And the increase in international news on the BBC News Channel has not been because viewers wanted it; it's purely driven by cost savings.
By and large, I'm afraid most people just aren't that interested in news from other countries unless it has an impact on their own country or they are considered allies. For instance, there is more interest in US or Australian news in the UK than there would be for Angolan or Vietnamese.
I had access to BBC World via a satellite dish that I had for about 15 years and, apart from the fantastic presentation at the time, the news content wasn't especially interesting. The more interesting international news (such as about Europe, G7 countries etc) featured on the main BBC1 bulletins anyway and was explained in a way that was more relevant to me as a British viewer. And the rest of the BBC World news content was about far away countries in Asia, Africa or South America. Do I really need to know that Bolivia is having an election?
I know that will probably be an unpopular opinion here, but that's why I think it's important to maintain the main network BBC1 bulletins with a carefully selected mix of UK and world news stories designed for a British audience. The BBC News Channel is dying because there is now too much non-UK news featured on it thanks to all the simulcasts. This must be the first time in 20 years I've hardly even tuned into it. I now associate it with foreign news and gimmicky presentation. My go-to news channel is now Sky News and CNN for US news. I would never in a month of Sundays have said that, particularly about Sky News, 10-15 years ago.
Totally agree with all of this. I give you double kudos. đ€Șđ
Also part of the reason for simulcasting at 9pm is so they don't have four studio's operating. B for Newsnight, C for World, E preparing for ten.
FC
That's not a bad idea. the one could be on international news, the 6 could be on national news (would probably get the lions share of audience ie shift workers and the 10 could be a mix)
This is also utter garbage. The idea that a C2DE predominantly very old British audience will sit through 30 mins of the sort of stuff youâd see on BBC World is not going to happen, as much as people on here would love to see some sort of simulacast.
He was talking about the 1999 relaunch⊠Actually the Ten still focuses more on international stuff by now, such as the China detention camp coverage that was not on the Six. The 1999 refresh did not make the Ten a bulletin dominated by international issues, like the BBC Four News.
That's not a bad idea. the one could be on international news, the 6 could be on national news (would probably get the lions share of audience ie shift workers and the 10 could be a mix)
This is also utter garbage. The idea that a C2DE predominantly very old British audience will sit through 30 mins of the sort of stuff youâd see on BBC World is not going to happen, as much as people on here would love to see some sort of simulacast.
The 7pm bulletin before Brexit/COVID on BBC Four was designed to be the bulletin designed to focus on mainly international news, that was expanded to 9pm in 2015 daily
And thatâs on BBC Four , a channel owns less than 1% audience share. BBC Fourâs 7pm slot has not been a structured bulletin for so many years. BBC Four News was good, I think there should be a crafted bulletin devoted solely to international news on other channels, but itâs not suitable for the Ten, the corporationâs flagship bulletin, which usually gets around 3 to 4 million viewers daily.
Well, just catching up on this, and I think it's utter garbage.
While it has its faults, the BBC is well known for major bulletins at One, Six and Ten. I know people who for a fact, even when streaming, pause at Ten (or occasionally Six if started early enough) to stop for the main bulletins of the day.
The best thing maybe however, is to make sure each bulletin is fresh/unique. Similar to the 99 relaunch, have one focus on Britain, and one on international news, while providing summaries of the other in the bulletin
While it has its faults, the BBC is well known for major bulletins at One, Six and Ten. I know people who for a fact, even when streaming, pause at Ten (or occasionally Six if started early enough) to stop for the main bulletins of the day.
The best thing maybe however, is to make sure each bulletin is fresh/unique. Similar to the 99 relaunch, have one focus on Britain, and one on international news, while providing summaries of the other in the bulletin
That's not a bad idea. the one could be on international news, the 6 could be on national news (would probably get the lions share of audience ie shift workers and the 10 could be a mix)
This is also utter garbage. The idea that a C2DE predominantly very old British audience will sit through 30 mins of the sort of stuff youâd see on BBC World is not going to happen, as much as people on here would love to see some sort of simulacast.
He was talking about the 1999 relaunch⊠Actually the Ten still focuses more on international stuff by now, such as the China detention camp coverage that was not on the Six. The 1999 refresh did not make the Ten a bulletin dominated by international issues, like the BBC Four News.
That's not a bad idea. the one could be on international news, the 6 could be on national news (would probably get the lions share of audience ie shift workers and the 10 could be a mix)
This is also utter garbage. The idea that a C2DE predominantly very old British audience will sit through 30 mins of the sort of stuff youâd see on BBC World is not going to happen, as much as people on here would love to see some sort of simulacast.
The 7pm bulletin before Brexit/COVID on BBC Four was designed to be the bulletin designed to focus on mainly international news, that was expanded to 9pm in 2015 daily
And thatâs on BBC Four , a channel owns less than 1% audience share. BBC Fourâs 7pm slot has not been a structured bulletin for so many years. BBC Four News was good, I think there should be a crafted bulletin devoted solely to international news on other channels, but itâs not suitable for the Ten, the corporationâs flagship bulletin, which usually gets around 3 to 4 million viewers daily.
SP
I think itsrobert makes a good point about much of the content on World News being very niche.
If there isn't enough money in the pot to sustain two full time rolling news services, I think there is a legitimate question about whether the BBC should be the service that tells the rest of the world about things that are happening in the rest of the world that the UK doesn't really care about. Is that what international audiences would expect of a British news channel?
Perhaps a rethink of World's remit is in order, evolving into a service that is more telling the story of what is happening around the world from the UK perspective, keeping some of the more niche stuff in specific slots, particularly where it's saleable (Focus on Africa, World News America).
That would make it more appropriate for the UK audience, but it would need to be done carefully to avoid reinforcing the "insular Little Englander" stereotype/reputation that the UK seems to have acquired in some quarters in recent years.
If there isn't enough money in the pot to sustain two full time rolling news services, I think there is a legitimate question about whether the BBC should be the service that tells the rest of the world about things that are happening in the rest of the world that the UK doesn't really care about. Is that what international audiences would expect of a British news channel?
Perhaps a rethink of World's remit is in order, evolving into a service that is more telling the story of what is happening around the world from the UK perspective, keeping some of the more niche stuff in specific slots, particularly where it's saleable (Focus on Africa, World News America).
That would make it more appropriate for the UK audience, but it would need to be done carefully to avoid reinforcing the "insular Little Englander" stereotype/reputation that the UK seems to have acquired in some quarters in recent years.
SW
Incidentally, the ITV News last night was at 11.45pm.
Then The Telegraph ran a follow up where 'ITV declare its news bulletins are going nowhere' - 'in a swipe at the BBC'.
(paywalled article)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/21/itv-declares-news-bulletins-going-nowhere-swipe-bbc-claim-face/
(paywalled article)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/21/itv-declares-news-bulletins-going-nowhere-swipe-bbc-claim-face/
Incidentally, the ITV News last night was at 11.45pm.
JW
Incidentally, the ITV News last night was at 11.45pm.
âTomorrowâs news......almost tomorrow.....â
Then The Telegraph ran a follow up where 'ITV declare its news bulletins are going nowhere' - 'in a swipe at the BBC'.
(paywalled article)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/21/itv-declares-news-bulletins-going-nowhere-swipe-bbc-claim-face/
(paywalled article)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/21/itv-declares-news-bulletins-going-nowhere-swipe-bbc-claim-face/
Incidentally, the ITV News last night was at 11.45pm.
âTomorrowâs news......almost tomorrow.....â
NL
It's an interesting theory. I can't see the BBC jacking in their news service as it would give Sky, Aljazeera etc a greater grasp on the market.
This next part is highly subjective. I am really not interested much in what is going on in other countries with the only exception being Australia where I have family. Of course others don't share that view and the BBC have a duty to reflect all stances.
So what is the answer? I don't know. One idea is that BBC World could reformat to have a focus on Commonwealth and English speaking nations.
I think itsrobert makes a good point about much of the content on World News being very niche.
If there isn't enough money in the pot to sustain two full time rolling news services, I think there is a legitimate question about whether the BBC should be the service that tells the rest of the world about things that are happening in the rest of the world that the UK doesn't really care about. Is that what international audiences would expect of a British news channel?
Perhaps a rethink of World's remit is in order, evolving into a service that is more telling the story of what is happening around the world from the UK perspective, keeping some of the more niche stuff in specific slots, particularly where it's saleable (Focus on Africa, World News America).
That would make it more appropriate for the UK audience, but it would need to be done carefully to avoid reinforcing the "insular Little Englander" stereotype/reputation that the UK seems to have acquired in some quarters in recent years.
If there isn't enough money in the pot to sustain two full time rolling news services, I think there is a legitimate question about whether the BBC should be the service that tells the rest of the world about things that are happening in the rest of the world that the UK doesn't really care about. Is that what international audiences would expect of a British news channel?
Perhaps a rethink of World's remit is in order, evolving into a service that is more telling the story of what is happening around the world from the UK perspective, keeping some of the more niche stuff in specific slots, particularly where it's saleable (Focus on Africa, World News America).
That would make it more appropriate for the UK audience, but it would need to be done carefully to avoid reinforcing the "insular Little Englander" stereotype/reputation that the UK seems to have acquired in some quarters in recent years.
It's an interesting theory. I can't see the BBC jacking in their news service as it would give Sky, Aljazeera etc a greater grasp on the market.
This next part is highly subjective. I am really not interested much in what is going on in other countries with the only exception being Australia where I have family. Of course others don't share that view and the BBC have a duty to reflect all stances.
So what is the answer? I don't know. One idea is that BBC World could reformat to have a focus on Commonwealth and English speaking nations.
RA
Every time I've put on BBC World Service radio it's always a documentary on Africa. The BBC seem absolutely obsessed with that continent.