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BBC News nostalgia, including BBC World

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Ne1L C Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
I found BBC News 24 in its early days to be very refreshing. I remember one clip of Gavin Esler and Sarah Montague presenting the breakfast show. Seeing Esler in his shirtsleeves was a revelation.
RK
Rkolsen World News
Here’s some nostalgia on my Comcast cable box (the app has a similar layout to the box)... this dated photo of Mike Embley. According to Getty Images this image appears to have been taken in June 2008.

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itsrobert Founding member Granada North West Today
The last few minutes of this clip are quite interesting. It shows The World Today from March 1998, after the 1997 rebrand and still in studio N1 before BBC World moved to N9 later in 1998. It's quite rare to see this particular part of the flags era as the clips online always seem to come from 1999. Unfortunately, no titles or stings are shown, but there are some assorted graphics and studio shots. The presenters are Donald MacCormick and (right at the end) Liz Pike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ETU4fUyyPY
It really highlights how claustrophobic N1 was onscreen. The move to N9 with a proper newsroom backdrop was such a step forward for BBC World.


Wow. Never seen that before and didn't even know that era even existed.

Be lovely to see more but, as you say, very little exists online of this time.

Always loved the flags but they don't work for me on the virtual era background.

Yeah it was an interim period between the October 1997 rebrand (where they adopted the updated flags motif) and the move from N1 to N9 some time in later 1998. A friend of mine worked on the last bulletin out of N1 (and incidentally the first bulletin in N1 back in 1993) and I think he said it was in about September/October 1998. Most people associate the later flags era with N9 probably because more clips survive online and also they did about 18 months in there before the April 2000 corporate rebrand.

In terms of the last branding in N1, I agree with you. I don't think it works very well with the virtual era design. It looked better on standard news bulletins as they replaced the background with a shot of the newsroom. It didn't look quite as claustrophobic as it seems The World Today did, though. The virtual era N1 worked best with the 1995 designs, in my opinion.

Just to follow up on this, here is a World News bulletin from May 1998, still broadcast from N1 at this point:


Whereas on The World Today they used a solid flags motif background, on World News they used a shot of the newsroom which looks infinitely better in my opinion. Of course, once they moved to N9 later in the year they actually got the real thing then.

By the way, the giveaway as to whether World was in N1 or N9 is the aspect ratio. If news output is full 4:3 as in that clip above, they were in N1. If it is 14:9 (small black bars at the top and bottom) they had moved to N9 which was widescreen capable. World Pres remained 4:3 though until the channel eventually went 16:9 many years later.
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chris Granada North West Today
itsrobert posted:
World Pres remained 4:3 though until the channel eventually went 16:9 many years later.


IIRC it wasn’t until the move to N8 in 2008 that they moved widescreen. Crazily late really.
IS
Inspector Sands
chris posted:
itsrobert posted:
World Pres remained 4:3 though until the channel eventually went 16:9 many years later.


IIRC it wasn’t until the move to N8 in 2008 that they moved widescreen. Crazily late really.

Not really when you consider it's a world-wide channel. In 2008 the UK hadn't fully embraced widescreen, it wasn't even a thing to a lot of BBC Worlds audience or distribution network.

Remember AJE launched in 2006, that started in HD but was distributed in 14:9 SD for many years for exactly the same reason
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Technologist London London
The UK was almost the only country which started SD widescreen broadcasts before HD prodction started...
Hence tht vast majorty of the world was SD=4*3 .....and it still may be the case today that there is more SD= 4*3
HA
harshy Founding member
Now bbc world news after all these years had gone back to a non newsroom backdrop I do prefer a live newsroom backdrop though but bbc world news powers that be are adamant they have to use these London backdrops .
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dosxuk Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
Now bbc world news after all these years had gone back to a non newsroom backdrop I do prefer a live newsroom backdrop though but bbc world news powers that be are adamant they have to use these London backdrops .


And yet people on here complain that the news channel uses the newsroom background when they decamp to C rather than use the London background.

I get the feeling they can't win whatever they choose.
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harshy Founding member
Now bbc world news after all these years had gone back to a non newsroom backdrop I do prefer a live newsroom backdrop though but bbc world news powers that be are adamant they have to use these London backdrops .


And yet people on here complain that the news channel uses the newsroom background when they decamp to C rather than use the London background.

I get the feeling they can't win whatever they choose.

Well the newsroom backdrop in c dosent look good it makes the whole set look even smaller and darker, I am often amazed how a backdrop makes such a difference to C, I guess I am too use to the bright backdrop World uses.
Last edited by harshy on 20 September 2020 1:22pm
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harshy Founding member

Wow. Never seen that before and didn't even know that era even existed.

Be lovely to see more but, as you say, very little exists online of this time.

Always loved the flags but they don't work for me on the virtual era background.

Yeah it was an interim period between the October 1997 rebrand (where they adopted the updated flags motif) and the move from N1 to N9 some time in later 1998. A friend of mine worked on the last bulletin out of N1 (and incidentally the first bulletin in N1 back in 1993) and I think he said it was in about September/October 1998. Most people associate the later flags era with N9 probably because more clips survive online and also they did about 18 months in there before the April 2000 corporate rebrand.

In terms of the last branding in N1, I agree with you. I don't think it works very well with the virtual era design. It looked better on standard news bulletins as they replaced the background with a shot of the newsroom. It didn't look quite as claustrophobic as it seems The World Today did, though. The virtual era N1 worked best with the 1995 designs, in my opinion.

Just to follow up on this, here is a World News bulletin from May 1998, still broadcast from N1 at this point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86waxAkniQ
Whereas on The World Today they used a solid flags motif background, on World News they used a shot of the newsroom which looks infinitely better in my opinion. Of course, once they moved to N9 later in the year they actually got the real thing then.

By the way, the giveaway as to whether World was in N1 or N9 is the aspect ratio. If news output is full 4:3 as in that clip above, they were in N1. If it is 14:9 (small black bars at the top and bottom) they had moved to N9 which was widescreen capable. World Pres remained 4:3 though until the channel eventually went 16:9 many years later.

What newsroom was that by the way in N1 was that the News Centre or part of it or was it a newsroom based in TVC itself?
JK
JKDerry Recently warned UTV Newsline
Yeah it was an interim period between the October 1997 rebrand (where they adopted the updated flags motif) and the move from N1 to N9 some time in later 1998. A friend of mine worked on the last bulletin out of N1 (and incidentally the first bulletin in N1 back in 1993) and I think he said it was in about September/October 1998. Most people associate the later flags era with N9 probably because more clips survive online and also they did about 18 months in there before the April 2000 corporate rebrand.

In terms of the last branding in N1, I agree with you. I don't think it works very well with the virtual era design. It looked better on standard news bulletins as they replaced the background with a shot of the newsroom. It didn't look quite as claustrophobic as it seems The World Today did, though. The virtual era N1 worked best with the 1995 designs, in my opinion.

Just to follow up on this, here is a World News bulletin from May 1998, still broadcast from N1 at this point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86waxAkniQ
Whereas on The World Today they used a solid flags motif background, on World News they used a shot of the newsroom which looks infinitely better in my opinion. Of course, once they moved to N9 later in the year they actually got the real thing then.

By the way, the giveaway as to whether World was in N1 or N9 is the aspect ratio. If news output is full 4:3 as in that clip above, they were in N1. If it is 14:9 (small black bars at the top and bottom) they had moved to N9 which was widescreen capable. World Pres remained 4:3 though until the channel eventually went 16:9 many years later.

What newsroom was that by the way in N1 was that the News Centre or part of it or was it a newsroom based in TVC itself?

That backdrop is in fact super imposed behind the newsreader, taken from a camera in the original BBC Newsroom at Television Centre, before they moved out to the News Centre. It is the same view which viewers saw on BBC One overnight news coverage on the night Princess Diana died.
IT
itsrobert Founding member Granada North West Today
Just to follow up on this, here is a World News bulletin from May 1998, still broadcast from N1 at this point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86waxAkniQ
Whereas on The World Today they used a solid flags motif background, on World News they used a shot of the newsroom which looks infinitely better in my opinion. Of course, once they moved to N9 later in the year they actually got the real thing then.

By the way, the giveaway as to whether World was in N1 or N9 is the aspect ratio. If news output is full 4:3 as in that clip above, they were in N1. If it is 14:9 (small black bars at the top and bottom) they had moved to N9 which was widescreen capable. World Pres remained 4:3 though until the channel eventually went 16:9 many years later.

What newsroom was that by the way in N1 was that the News Centre or part of it or was it a newsroom based in TVC itself?

That backdrop is in fact super imposed behind the newsreader, taken from a camera in the original BBC Newsroom at Television Centre, before they moved out to the News Centre. It is the same view which viewers saw on BBC One overnight news coverage on the night Princess Diana died.

You can see a bit of this newsroom here:



I think eventually they started superimposing the shot of the newsroom behind the presenter in N1 but from 1995 they did actually have a real newsroom set. I think this was mostly used during the strand programmes like Newsdesk where they could have the main presenter in N1 and a newsreader on the newsroom set:

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