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(April 2008)

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BB
BBC Scotland
m_in_m posted:
Inflatable Dartboard posted:
noggin has explained to me via PM, the complexities of how the BBC on Sandy Heath works.


Is that something noggin wouldn't mind be shared with the rest of us?


And next on BBC Yawn...
SP
Steve in Pudsey
m_in_m posted:
Inflatable Dartboard posted:
noggin has explained to me via PM, the complexities of how the BBC on Sandy Heath works.


Is that something noggin wouldn't mind be shared with the rest of us?


Noggin explained it here a few weeks ago when Cambridge wasn't handling network material properly http://www.tvforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27913

Going back to Saturday, I can understand how a cockup could have put Norwich output on BBC1 on Cambridge digital, but I'm not sure how BBC2 output (eg London News) ended up on it.

Unless BBC2 just happenned to be on the contribution circuit to Cambridge, and Norwich didn't bother to route themselves onto it knowing that they were only opting on analogue, and the system which prevents Cambridge digital from opting when Norwich opt on BBC2 failed/was operated wrongly.

In which case it's lucky that it was only BBC2 and not some other random feed.
JO
Joshua
The Look North (NE&C) update was presented by the new anchor I mentioned last week. Her name was Charley Charlton.
IS
Inspector Sands
Posting here in the absense of a BBC London News thread -

Interesting to see that Ray Lewis announced his resignation as Deputy Mayor at about 6:56 this evening, nicely timed so that BBC London (who I think broke the story in the first place) couldn't show the announcment.
ST
Stuart
Inspector Sands posted:
Interesting to see that Ray Lewis announced his resignation as Deputy Mayor at about 6:56 this evening, nicely timed so that BBC London (who I think broke the story in the first place) couldn't show the announcment.

Politicians are very savvy about when to release information to the media. We have witnessed another one this week where the Daily Telegraph published their scoop online at 11:56am, just before Brown went into PMQs, so was not aware or prepared.
IS
Inspector Sands
StuartPlymouth posted:

Politicians are very savvy about when to release information to the media. We have witnessed another one this week where the Daily Telegraph published their scoop online at 11:56am, just before Brown went into PMQs, so was not aware or prepared.


What scoop was that? Surely that's the other way round though, it's the media releasing to get one over a politician?

Of course releasing something at 11:56 on a wednesday isn't that great unless the opposition are told a lot earlier
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Seems they were expecting a repeat of last week's problem with the regional news - it's following the late news tonight.
NG
noggin Founding member
Inflatable Dartboard posted:
noggin posted:
Are you in the BBC East (West) region - which would get the Cambridge sub-opt during the 1830 weekday bulletin and at 2225?

(If so - I think I have a horrid feeling that I know why that was...)


Last night (Mon 30th June) here in the "Cambridge region", we were stuck with BBC London News at the end of the belated "Ten", on Sky channel 101. Marvellous Rolling Eyes

noggin has explained to me via PM, the complexities of how the BBC on Sandy Heath works. I didn't quite understand it all, but it involves BBC One "England/Network", rather than just BBC Norwich, as one might expect! Shocked

I don't know whether or not Cambridge Look East went out on any TV platfoms (analogue or digital) last night (?) I can oly account for Sky, as that's what I've got. Actually, now that I think about it...

Sky, by it's very nature doesn't involve the "transmitters" (e.g. Sandy Heath) at all, of course! I see no obvious reason why "BBC One East (W)" on Sky had London News on it last night!

Even if Norwich Look East would've only contained Norfolk/Suffolk/Essex news rather than pan-regional news, I'd still rather have had that than bloody London! Hmpf.


The BBC One regional DSat encoders are currently fed via the same opt-out chain as the BBC One regional DTT encoders in each region, the chances are that if the opt didn't happen on DSat it also didn't happen on DTT. However in most regions the analogue opt-out chains are independent, and so the opt may still have happened on BBC One analogue.

The fact that you got BBC One London rather than BBC One Norwich suggests an issue with the digital opt chains at Norwich and Cambridge (which are interlinked but not in series as one might expect)

As to the discussion about the way the BBC One Cambridge digital and analogue opts happen. I think I've covered it a few times before elsewhere which is why I didn't want to bore people with it again...

Chances are that the entire opt-out chains will be massively re-engineered in the run up to DSO, as analogue will cease to be an issue, and rather than the regions opting out of a network feed routed to each regional centre (as now) - which requires lots of resilience, they are likely to route their studio outputs to London, where the opt-out will be switched, and the DTT and DSat feeds coded and fed directly to the transmitters and uplinks. This would allow for statmuxing of BBC One in England, potentially, and removes a large chunk of regional resilience requirements (which are expensive)
ID
Inflatable Dartboard
In the Yorks & Lincs thread, Spencer For Hire posted:
I think had the idea of the new centre and region from Hull been floated now, it would never have got off the ground - rather like the other proposed new region from Milton Keynes which has been scrapped.


What exactly was the MK region gonna be? Just the Sandy Heath region (as I always assumed at the time), or Sandy Heath + Oxford, as I'm sure some people were saying at the time.

The latter strikes me as a very odd idea. Given that - depending on how "generous" they are re: editorial region - the Sandy Heath region can be said to stretch as far north as King's Lynn, and the Oxford region as far west as the Cotswolds, it would be a weird region. Viewers in such extremeties of such a region would have absolutely sod all in common with each other.

I wonder what the "region name" would've been? "BBC Oxford & Cambridge"? And an ambiguous news title (e.g. the Look Hull phone-vote reject "Compass", or something)?

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I only recently moved to the Sandy Heath region, and find it to be such an un-region. The likes of Beds and Herts are the kind of counties that I've always though of as being rather "almost London" if you see what I mean. Cambs is definately "East Anglia-ey" surely? And Northamptonshire perhaps fits more with the East Midlands than anything else (shame that BBC EMT don't seem to agree, save for the very north of the county, and Central East only include it fairly half-hearteldy) - it's certainly in the East Mids political region.

So, the various bits of the Sandy Heath region don't really have much in common with each other, as far as I can tell. It seems to be just scraps that are a bit too far north/west/south (respectively) to stand much chance of decent representation by the London/Norwich/Nottingham-focused news programmes. An unfortunate consequence of England's awkward shape and/or where transmitters happen to be, it seems. Ho hum.
NG
noggin Founding member
AIUI Milton Keynes was going to be just the current BBC Cambridge Sandy Heath TV operation relocated to a new centre co-sited with 3CR (as the lease on the TV and Radio building in Cambridge is due to expire and is unlikely to be extended, and suitable property in a city centre location in Cambs was not easy to find) and wasn't likely to merge with other existing operations.

Lots of speculation here that it would be an "Oxbridge" opt - but I never heard it mentioned elsewhere...

MK has now been scrapped as a plan AIUI - and instead they are working on relocating within Cambridge and staying co-sited with Radio Cambs (and still hope to fully split at 1830 I believe - though I know not when).

When the Beeb were working on the post-Newsroom SouthEast project they looked at Oxford+Cambridge vs Oxford+So'ton and the latter had the greater editorial overlap it was decided - though they paper piloted both.
BH
Bvsh Hovse
noggin posted:
Chances are that the entire opt-out chains will be massively re-engineered in the run up to DSO, as analogue will cease to be an issue, and rather than the regions opting out of a network feed routed to each regional centre (as now) - which requires lots of resilience, they are likely to route their studio outputs to London, where the opt-out will be switched, and the DTT and DSat feeds coded and fed directly to the transmitters and uplinks. This would allow for statmuxing of BBC One in England, potentially, and removes a large chunk of regional resilience requirements (which are expensive)


Sounds like you have just described the CCM (Centralised Coding and Multiplexing) project to me. Although there is another node outside London which can fully take over from London if necessary, so all the vision circuit will need to get there too.

Whether this means less circuits and equipment (and therefore less cost) overall I don't know. Circuits probably come under the scope of RAMAN which I know nothing about as it's not coming to Bush House.

Isn't this the way ITV do their opting? Regional centres send everything to London/Leeds and the opting is done centrally?
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Is the Open University Production Centre in MK still operating? Didn't one of the regions in that neck of the woods relocate to the OUPC while its gallery was being refitted?

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