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BBC News: Nations & Regions

(April 2008)

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Inspector Sands
josh205 posted:
Here in NE&C, we had something like this:

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh24/justjoshhh/north.png
(Poorly made mock, please excuse it Crying or Very sad )


Did NE&C spell 'Tomorrow' wrong too?
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ashley b Founding member
StuartPlymouth posted:
Obviously a problem with Sky's EPG tonight, as this clearly wasn't 'BBC London News'.


It was the same on freeview in the North West too, so probably not sky.
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Joshua
oops, You know, as soon as I made that I thought it looked wrong. As I said though, not anything to bother about.
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Neil__
gregmc posted:
Neil Green posted:


Poor Gordon looks so sad. Won't somebody please cheer him up?


He looks like the living dead if anything.

The living dead have feelings too, you know.
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ashley b Founding member
Just out of interest, which version of the closing titles are regions using?

North West tonight stylee with no red BBC News box: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL2w4lg0dTE

Or with BBC News box as Midlands Today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbq9QvVJs2s
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mdtauk
London uses the titles endboard, with ON TV ON RADIO ONLINE added below the logo, or sometimes just a strap with the copyright roman numerals on
NG
noggin Founding member
deejay posted:

An aston itself is capable of wiping an aston onto screen, but only with a basic preset pattern (left to right, top to bottom etc). In order for the caption to wipe onto screen in the way network's captions do and then for the text to 'zip' on, you need a more powerful graphics engine like Viz.


Just looked at it - surely a super vector (in fact even a basic non-super vector as it is a single effect over the whole screen to wipe on the strap) can wipe on the strap (if you are happy with a block white strap without the little curved wipe on the swoosh), with a time delayed (or manual if you had to) zip then triggering the text animation. If you were feeling flash and wanted the near-invisible swoosh then you could render the strap animation as a multi-frame sequence and load it if you had the TFX or VIP Clip options on any reasonably recent Aston.

Getting the wipe off in the network style is a bit trickier, but if you have a reasonably decent mixer you could do that as a multiple-wipe on the DSK. Would mean you would have to do the astons on the main transition panel probably, and not use the DSK CUT/MIX buttons, but doable if you are able to concentrate.

I haven't used an aston in a long time - but think I could have done the basic (non-swoosh) animation effects on a 1992 era Motif. There may be a neat way of animating off in the network style available since - as I last used vectors in about 1993 on early Motifs, and briefly used VIP more recently on an Ethos... I have used Greens (I think - might be a Motto) more recently with TFX animation under automation control.

HOWEVER - almost everyone prefers previewing their astons and then cutting/mixing them to air, rather than transitioning them from and to blanks - and doing it on Viz is undoubtedly easier.

The thing to remember about the network Viz outputs is that they are permanently keyed all the time generating the clock and the ticker. The name supers are just added and taken away from this composite - they aren't a separate sourced added and removed by the vision mixer. This is why network can justify having a VizRT - it is doing a lot more than just name supers.

They also have multiple channels of VizRT replacing their stills stores - both to allow automatic graphics generation by journalists, and to allow animating backgrounds etc. to be generated easily.
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noggin Founding member
jrothwell97 posted:
deejay posted:
salfordjohn posted:
well . . . . while we're on North West Tonight...

The straps don't wipe on and off like News Channel and 1 6 10. They just fade on and off.

And on the straps on Breakfast inserts this morning it was all lower case. (apart from capitals for first letter of names)

And the scrolling NWT across the bottom of the big boards only looks good on the twin presenter shot of the desk and looks crap when you get two opposite ends of two screens when just close up on one presenter.


Lots of regions can't wipe the astons on and off like Network can. Don;t know if any do actually! It's all to do with the fact that Network have VIZrT but a lot of regions are stuck with older, less capable kit ...


As has been said, some of them are still using old Aston Greens, which are only capable of doing basic fades and dissolves. I think VizRT is being rolled out over some regions, although some are just getting new (albeit more powerful) Aston machines.


ISTR that Green had supervectors and TFX animation - and is thus capable of a lot more than cuts and mixes on and off... Don't think it had megamoves - but that isn't a requirement for emulating the current network look. However a reasonable degree of expertise in operating and programming the automation system (not Jemima, not Hamble, not Humpty - if you know what I mean...) would be required, which may not be available in every region these days. (In the mid 90s most regions had at least one expert Aston operator - but these days most astons are generated automatically)
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Seb
martinDTanderson posted:
London uses the titles endboard, with ON TV ON RADIO ONLINE added below the logo, or sometimes just a strap with the copyright roman numerals on


There hasn't actually been any consistancy, sometimes they have played a full version of the opening titles, with both sets of music as well as the two you mention above!
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rob Founding member
StuartPlymouth posted:
Obviously a problem with Sky's EPG tonight, as this clearly wasn't 'BBC London News'.

http://www.rp-network.com/tvforum/uploads/grabbed_frame_1.jpg


Same happened here in the South as well.

For those who haven't seen the new look (ahem) South Today it's now on TV Live here
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Pete Founding member
There's a PDF floating around with a picture of a lovely end sequence that they don't seem to be using (think 2000 World breakbumper starting large and shrinking into the box).

I'll get a photo of it up later today. It's a shame they don't seem to be using it.
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Inflatable Dartboard
So... the BBC Oxford sub-regional bulletins are now "BBC Oxford News" I wonder how viewers in Bucks or Swindon feel about that?...

No mention of "South Today" at all, except in the handover around 1840-1845, which is now something like: "That's all from me for now, but now we join South Today with Sally Taylor" <BBC Oxford sting>.

The verbal sign-off at the end of reports is now "BBC Oxford News", but the title sequence endcap, side plasma, etc, just say "BBC Oxford". Like London, this is presumably so that "News" doesn't appear on screen twice.

At least Oxford acknowledge joining South Today, which is more than can be said for 1830 Channel Islands going into Spotlight! I find it most odd that the CI bulletins end as if that's the absolute end of the newshour, with the kind of "bye" that implies finality.

Do the Plymouth presenters say anything like "And at this point we welcome Channel Islands viewers to the programme?". If not, it must seem a bit weird to CI viewers, to get such a firm *end* from St Helier, but for the Plymouth stuff to start in a way that probably feels too obviously *mid-programme* like.

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