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SR
SomeRandomStuff
DTV posted:
Not sure whether this is the best place to put them but I have had a go at making the BBC World News Program Beds from videos. They aren't the best quality but here they are.
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Impact
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That place would be the Gallery... also these are pretty obviously badly looped. So If you did put them in the gallery expect to see the dog picture.
PE
Pete Founding member
Just realised that we haven't mentioned the ugly ducking of the insane BBC World original vamp, the overnight News 24 version without thunderclaps. Which for no apparent reason was also a semitone higher and therefore sounded strange next to the titles.

The discussion about the lack of instruments in the modern versions is really interesting. When you listen back to even the 1999 N24 headline music there is an additional sort of popping drum beat that doesn't exist in the modern version.


I also have to agree with what has been said about the utterly tedious 400 year long headline sequences and the hideous practice of restarting the headline bed. I'm sure there's been some sort of research that shows having boring soundbites in the headlines is wonderful but I can't stand it.

It all started with News 24's 2003 revamp when they had that second half of the headlines by the projector for no reason. It was always the crap headlines too. Rubbish.
PE
Pete Founding member
oh and can we discuss the hideous magnificence of the monstrosity that was the BBC Parliament Election 2000 filler music?

http://up.metropol247.co.uk/Pete/BBC%20News%20Vote%202001%20-%20Election%20Remix%202.mp3
IT
itsrobert Founding member
Pete posted:
Just realised that we haven't mentioned the ugly ducking of the insane BBC World original vamp, the overnight News 24 version without thunderclaps. Which for no apparent reason was also a semitone higher and therefore sounded strange next to the titles.

The discussion about the lack of instruments in the modern versions is really interesting. When you listen back to even the 1999 N24 headline music there is an additional sort of popping drum beat that doesn't exist in the modern version.


I also have to agree with what has been said about the utterly tedious 400 year long headline sequences and the hideous practice of restarting the headline bed. I'm sure there's been some sort of research that shows having boring soundbites in the headlines is wonderful but I can't stand it.

It all started with News 24's 2003 revamp when they had that second half of the headlines by the projector for no reason. It was always the crap headlines too. Rubbish.


Yay! No discussion of BBC News music is complete without the overnight vamp!! I was always bemused as to why it was a higher pitch than the normal BBC World versions. I was told that it was edited internally by the BBC for overnight usage. The idea was to extend the intro thunderclap so as to allow more opting in time for BBC World. But that doesn't explain why it was a semitone higher. What's even more bemusing is why it was never corrected in probably about 2 or 3 years!

The point about the instruments - I spent some time earlier comparing some of the recent themes with the original versions. The change for the worse is quite apparent. As has been said, fewer instruments/fxs are used now, which makes the music sound dull. Even the most plain bits and pieces of the original music had more to them than the majority of current music.

Moreover, there's been a growing tendency to merely add whooshes on top of the countdown, titles and stings. Whooshes don't make up for missing instruments. And lastly, comparing modern and old packages it's easy to spot just how formulaic all the cuts have become. All the vamps are the same track with or without strings. All the stings are the same, but just short and long versions and with/without holds. The closing music on World is just a long and boring build-up to the National closing sting. It all lacks variety. Compare that to 1999/2000 where each package was a unique composition and even within packages not one sting was duplicated with only minor changes. Each and every cut was totally unique. That's where it's all gone wrong in my opinion.
JW
JamesWorldNews
Does anyone have a wee snippet of that 'overnight vamp' / 'ugly ducking'? I seriously can't recall it at all.
GE
thegeek Founding member
Pete posted:
oh and can we discuss the hideous magnificence of the monstrosity that was the BBC Parliament Election 2000 filler music?

http://up.metropol247.co.uk/Pete/BBC%20News%20Vote%202001%20-%20Election%20Remix%202.mp3


Hurrah!
(Did I mention that for the 2010 election, I fed that out on the EBU News Events channel just before switching out TC1 to the rest of Europe?)
BA
Bail Moderator
Pete posted:
oh and can we discuss the hideous magnificence of the monstrosity that was the BBC Parliament Election 2000 filler music?

http://up.metropol247.co.uk/Pete/BBC%20News%20Vote%202001%20-%20Election%20Remix%202.mp3


Hurrah!
(Did I mention that for the 2010 election, I fed that out on the EBU News Events channel just before switching out TC1 to the rest of Europe?)


#TVForumer of the weeeeeeeeek#
PE
Pete Founding member
Out of interest, my folder of News 24's 1999 package has something called "Loop Headlines" which is the slightly odd bit of music heavily sampled in the Vote 2001 piece?

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BA
Bail Moderator
Pete posted:
Out of interest, my folder of News 24's 1999 package has something called "Loop Headlines" which is the slightly odd bit of music heavily sampled in the Vote 2001 piece?

Isn't it the track used for the news multiscreen? That's always had a bodged sound version of the normal stuff?
SA
samwsmith1
I came across this page on BBC News from 2006 the other day, with the full 3 minute countdown and peoples remixes.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/5004688.stm

I have to say the only BBC News Music I can remember is the David Lowe music from 1999 onwards (being 20 now & only 7 at the time it launched), and I have to say listening to some of the 1999 music it just sounds so much better in my opinion.

Not strictly BBC News but after starting to recently Watch ABC World News & The CBS Evening News, I quite like the instrumental themes that these programs have. I don't know what it is but they just seem a more authoritative over the current BBC themes - in the same way that some of the old instrumental BBC News themes are.

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KY
Kendo Yanar
IMHO the 1993 coat of arms look and the theme music should be returned - maybe with some 1999 elements mixed in and with some enhanced VR features. By the way, are the 1993 clean cuts available anywhere?
PE
Pete Founding member
IMHO the 1993 coat of arms look and the theme music should be returned - maybe with some 1999 elements mixed in and with some enhanced VR features.


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