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Bail Moderator Meridian (South) South Today
Its far more newsy, its more "hey listen, important facts here" than the dull 2min recent example posted above.
VM
VMPhil Granada North West Today
I think we'll have to agree to disagree.
SR
SomeRandomStuff
Phil, I was always of the mind that the original 1999/2000 and the 2002 packages were designed to epitomize the frenetic pace of news.

No Sad still dont like it... Okay you have the dull ones on Duh Nyooz Chanul and we'll have our awsome super 2002 stuff back on World. Very Happy

Or if you want i'd compromise and we could go with the 2003/2004 Headline beds... which were not so dull, but not so OTT as you put it? They also have fixed Thunderclaps every 5 seconds... actually scratch that I don't want to compromise Laughing
IT
itsrobert Founding member Granada North West Today
I agree with SRS and Bail on this debate. The BBC World 2002 vamps kicked ass!!! They were immense, and I have to confess that I used to look forward to tuning in at the TOTH just to hear it! Embarassed

However, my ultimate BBC World vamp would have to be the previous one, used between 2000 and 2002. That was the music used when I first took notice of David Lowe's themes and will always hold a special place in my memory:

http://up.metropol247.co.uk/itsrobert/BBC%20World%202000%20Vamp.mp3

Wow, just wow! I loved everything about it - the interesting first thunderclap; the more powerful thunderclaps which punctuated the headlines; the strong beat... it had it all. Everything he's done since about 2007 has just been crap compared to these. Even 2003-2007 was starting to go generic and downhill. But not as much as in recent times.
SR
SomeRandomStuff
I agree with SRS and Bail on this debate. The BBC World 2002 vamps kicked ass!!! They were immense, and I have to confess that I used to look forward to tuning in at the TOTH just to hear it! Embarassed

However, my ultimate BBC World vamp would have to be the previous one, used between 2000 and 2002. That was the music used when I first took notice of David Lowe's themes and will always hold a special place in my memory:

http://up.metropol247.co.uk/itsrobert/BBC%20World%202000%20Vamp.mp3

Wow, just wow! I loved everything about it - the interesting first thunderclap; the more powerful thunderclaps which punctuated the headlines; the strong beat... it had it all. Everything he's done since about 2007 has just been crap compared to these. Even 2003-2007 was starting to go generic and downhill. But not as much as in recent times.

Hmm... this doesnt have the same frenetic sound to it when you listen to it as part of a broadcast...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L58etRB5-9A

...whilst I agree that the music is superb, it has the same issues that the other vamps do, that its not quite upbeat enough.
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VMPhil Granada North West Today
Phil, I was always of the mind that the original 1999/2000 and the 2002 packages were designed to epitomize the frenetic pace of news.

No Sad still dont like it... Okay you have the dull ones on Duh Nyooz Chanul and we'll have our awsome super 2002 stuff back on World. Very Happy

Or if you want i'd compromise and we could go with the 2003/2004 Headline beds... which were not so dull, but not so OTT as you put it? They also have fixed Thunderclaps every 5 seconds... actually scratch that I don't want to compromise Laughing


The 2008 music on NC is obviously a bit dull, and I prefer 1999, but as I've said before that 2002 music on World sounds too messy. You have the reporter talking over the thunderclaps, for one, which just sounds bad.
IT
itsrobert Founding member Granada North West Today
I agree with SRS and Bail on this debate. The BBC World 2002 vamps kicked ass!!! They were immense, and I have to confess that I used to look forward to tuning in at the TOTH just to hear it! Embarassed

However, my ultimate BBC World vamp would have to be the previous one, used between 2000 and 2002. That was the music used when I first took notice of David Lowe's themes and will always hold a special place in my memory:

http://up.metropol247.co.uk/itsrobert/BBC%20World%202000%20Vamp.mp3

Wow, just wow! I loved everything about it - the interesting first thunderclap; the more powerful thunderclaps which punctuated the headlines; the strong beat... it had it all. Everything he's done since about 2007 has just been crap compared to these. Even 2003-2007 was starting to go generic and downhill. But not as much as in recent times.

Hmm... this doesnt have the same frenetic sound to it when you listen to it as part of a broadcast...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L58etRB5-9A


That would probably be because the thunderclaps are 8 seconds apart. When that music was introduced it was the first time BBC World had ever used thunderclaps between headlines, so I assume they wanted to play it safe. It wasn't long before the thunderclaps were moved to 5 second intervals (as in my MP3 above) and it became much more pacey as a result.
CH
chris Granada North West Today
chris posted:
Bail posted:
As some have mentioned this is imo the best vamp they've ever used:

http://youtu.be/k0swWPpUZ8c?t=2m10s


I think it's way too messy, as said above. The thunderclaps are too elaborate. That bed is IMO even crazier than the 2007 batch, which were disliked by many.

We should also remember the headline bed currently in use serves a different purpose to back then, in that it is restarted. When they first started restarting the bed rather than having set thunderclaps, the 1999 bed sounded really disjointed due to its loud beat. The 2008 version and the short-lived 2007 nationals vamp are both more suited to this.

No, i've got the original tracks for both and i have to say the 2007 vamp is bloody awful.

2002 Vamps for BBC World were far superior to any done before or since.

Yes it is restarted, but it leads to stupidity where it can take 1-2 minutes for the headlines which are often littered with pointless soundbite clips. I want back the days were they headlines took 25 Seconds like in the Lindsey Brancher clip and not what feels like a week like in this clip... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlUKDfY_178 which is dull... and i have seen much longer



Indeed. I wish the preset headline lengths would return but can't see it happening. Should have put in my post that my comment was more in the defence of David Lowe - the blame for all this should be put on the BBC and their requests from Lowe. The recent BBC World News mixes for GMT/The Hub etc show he still has it in him to produce some fresh ideas along the same theme.
SR
SomeRandomStuff
I agree with SRS and Bail on this debate. The BBC World 2002 vamps kicked ass!!! They were immense, and I have to confess that I used to look forward to tuning in at the TOTH just to hear it! Embarassed

However, my ultimate BBC World vamp would have to be the previous one, used between 2000 and 2002. That was the music used when I first took notice of David Lowe's themes and will always hold a special place in my memory:

http://up.metropol247.co.uk/itsrobert/BBC%20World%202000%20Vamp.mp3

Wow, just wow! I loved everything about it - the interesting first thunderclap; the more powerful thunderclaps which punctuated the headlines; the strong beat... it had it all. Everything he's done since about 2007 has just been crap compared to these. Even 2003-2007 was starting to go generic and downhill. But not as much as in recent times.

Hmm... this doesnt have the same frenetic sound to it when you listen to it as part of a broadcast...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L58etRB5-9A


That would probably be because the thunderclaps are 8 seconds apart. When that music was introduced it was the first time BBC World had ever used thunderclaps between headlines, so I assume they wanted to play it safe. It wasn't long before the thunderclaps were moved to 5 second intervals (as in my MP3 above) and it became much more pacey as a result.

The pacing of the music is not down to the Thunderclaps. The 2002 music sounds quicker even when there are no thunderclaps on it at all. (Heard on one of the unused vamps.)
CH
chris Granada North West Today
Another thing we ought to mention is the fact that many viewers dislike beds completely. I remember a feature on Newswatch complaining about the 2007 beds, saying they were too distracting from the sound of the newsreader (not sure I completely agree, mind). The spokesman for the BBC said beds are used in order to alert people to when there are headlines if they're not watching intently, so they can divert their attention back to the TV for the round-up.
DK
DanielK Central Reporting Scotland
I think the Breakfast music from 2000 and the 2005(?) titles remix was quite nice!
IT
itsrobert Founding member Granada North West Today
chris posted:
Another thing we ought to mention is the fact that many viewers dislike beds completely. I remember a feature on Newswatch complaining about the 2007 beds, saying they were too distracting from the sound of the newsreader (not sure I completely agree, mind). The spokesman for the BBC said beds are used in order to alert people to when there are headlines if they're not watching intently, so they can divert their attention back to the TV for the round-up.


I wonder which broadcaster/programme was first to use a headline bed in the UK? Personally, I think it's ITN. They started using a new Weekend News theme in 1982 which underscored all the headlines on the late bulletin. The BBC introduced its Chinese Lantern/Venetian Blinds theme in 1981, but that only had a very short bed which tailed off pretty quickly. I'm struggling to think of any examples earlier than that. Anyone?

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