MO
Nah, that'd never work - what would BBC1 fill those three and a half hours with? And the regions need catering for - they work MUCH better straight after the Six , Ten et al.
Would it technically be possible for News 24 to split regionally? Must be possible on Sky and Virgin, but what about Freeview? That's the most sensible place for regional news surely.
well surely if the regional news was on n24, there'd no longer be a need to opt regionally on bbc one. so presumably they wouldn't need to invest an awful lot of cash into it, just switch to having 1 stream of bbc one, and regional versions of n24.
i know you asked whether it was technically possible - but the technicalities aside, with the bbc spending copious amounts of money, employing more than a dozen teams of people around the country to produce several bulletins a day, it would seem a waste of an awful lot of resources only for the output to be ghetto-ised onto news 24?
remember regional news isn't regional news. they are regional news magazines. a look at daily life in <insert region name>. yes there's news, sport and weather - but there's also fluff and sickly sweet feel good material about places we visit, work in, recognise, remember from the old days and what not.
its a hard concept for people in london and the nations to understand. network television is so heavily representative of london, londoners see places that they know/care about all the time across all genres of telly. whilst in the nations regional opt outs are plentiful with programmes reflecting different aspects of the areas across the schedule.
but in the english regions, magazine programmes are as much about entertainment and lifestyle as they are about news. something which i would argue very successfully bridges the gap between the hard news finishing at 6.30pm, to the start of the prime time entertainment shows at 7pm
i'd imagine there'd be nothing the bbc one schedulers would like to do more than fill the 6.30pm slot with a repeat of changing rooms - but would it achieve the comparatively good and steady ratings that the regionals get?
and would it be wise to continue to spend millions on producing regional programmes and yet move them off the flagship channel?
Well you bring a few things up here.
If these programmes are trying to be all things to all men, news/sport/weather/features & fluff, then perhaps they should be split up into a daily news programme on News 24 (it's not the ghetto, it's a news channel where news should be) say lasting about 15 minutes, and then have a weekly hour long magazine programme on BBC One.
You mention how much money they cost - well I think it's a waste of money. I haven't watched BBC One between 6.30 and 7pm for years and years as I find regional news a huge yawn. I'd rather the money was spent on world news - which, if you're going to use the term, is currently ghettoised on BBC Four.
tvmercia posted:
Moz posted:
jrothwell97 posted:
Moz posted:
I can see this eventually replacing the 1/6/10 as soon as digital switch-off happens.
Nah, that'd never work - what would BBC1 fill those three and a half hours with? And the regions need catering for - they work MUCH better straight after the Six , Ten et al.
Would it technically be possible for News 24 to split regionally? Must be possible on Sky and Virgin, but what about Freeview? That's the most sensible place for regional news surely.
well surely if the regional news was on n24, there'd no longer be a need to opt regionally on bbc one. so presumably they wouldn't need to invest an awful lot of cash into it, just switch to having 1 stream of bbc one, and regional versions of n24.
i know you asked whether it was technically possible - but the technicalities aside, with the bbc spending copious amounts of money, employing more than a dozen teams of people around the country to produce several bulletins a day, it would seem a waste of an awful lot of resources only for the output to be ghetto-ised onto news 24?
remember regional news isn't regional news. they are regional news magazines. a look at daily life in <insert region name>. yes there's news, sport and weather - but there's also fluff and sickly sweet feel good material about places we visit, work in, recognise, remember from the old days and what not.
its a hard concept for people in london and the nations to understand. network television is so heavily representative of london, londoners see places that they know/care about all the time across all genres of telly. whilst in the nations regional opt outs are plentiful with programmes reflecting different aspects of the areas across the schedule.
but in the english regions, magazine programmes are as much about entertainment and lifestyle as they are about news. something which i would argue very successfully bridges the gap between the hard news finishing at 6.30pm, to the start of the prime time entertainment shows at 7pm
i'd imagine there'd be nothing the bbc one schedulers would like to do more than fill the 6.30pm slot with a repeat of changing rooms - but would it achieve the comparatively good and steady ratings that the regionals get?
and would it be wise to continue to spend millions on producing regional programmes and yet move them off the flagship channel?
Well you bring a few things up here.
If these programmes are trying to be all things to all men, news/sport/weather/features & fluff, then perhaps they should be split up into a daily news programme on News 24 (it's not the ghetto, it's a news channel where news should be) say lasting about 15 minutes, and then have a weekly hour long magazine programme on BBC One.
You mention how much money they cost - well I think it's a waste of money. I haven't watched BBC One between 6.30 and 7pm for years and years as I find regional news a huge yawn. I'd rather the money was spent on world news - which, if you're going to use the term, is currently ghettoised on BBC Four.
SP
Hey maybe we will get Ashley Blake to present the 8pm summary here in Birmingham. He's a laff he's the biggest c*ock up merchant in regional news.
the guy cannot read autoque to save his life. If you can get a recording of him doing the midlands today summary on a friday evening after the "10" then have a look its hilarious.
the guy cannot read autoque to save his life. If you can get a recording of him doing the midlands today summary on a friday evening after the "10" then have a look its hilarious.
RO
I can't ever see that. Given that News 24 currently reaches just 4% of those with digital tv each day, and the BBC1 bulletins are some of their most popular programmes - it's easy to see how people prefer to watch news. Most people prefer it in traditional bulletins on BBC1 and that won't change for a long, long time. The 1.00 News for example is BBC1's most popular daytime programme. And the BBC's local news is also hugely popular - in fact more popular than the national news.
Moz posted:
I can see this eventually replacing the 1/6/10 as soon as digital switch-off happens.
I can't ever see that. Given that News 24 currently reaches just 4% of those with digital tv each day, and the BBC1 bulletins are some of their most popular programmes - it's easy to see how people prefer to watch news. Most people prefer it in traditional bulletins on BBC1 and that won't change for a long, long time. The 1.00 News for example is BBC1's most popular daytime programme. And the BBC's local news is also hugely popular - in fact more popular than the national news.
DO
I think regional news on News24 throughout the day would be an improvement to the channel. Even if it was 5 minutes per hour, it would get more value from the regional news centres, and would probably attract more viewers to N24. I would also keep the regional news on BBC1, but maybe make it more of a magazine show - maybe a 45 minute programme, with 15 minutes news, 15 minutes regional fluff, then 15 minutes national fluff based on the One Show idea.
JH
Do you mean opted regional news on News 24 or a regional round-up on the national channel? Personally, I can't see how the latter would attract viewers. People in any given part of the country are not going to watch a news channel because of low-key news from a region they don't live in.
dosxuk posted:
I think regional news on News24 throughout the day would be an improvement to the channel. Even if it was 5 minutes per hour, it would get more value from the regional news centres, and would probably attract more viewers to N24. I would also keep the regional news on BBC1, but maybe make it more of a magazine show - maybe a 45 minute programme, with 15 minutes news, 15 minutes regional fluff, then 15 minutes national fluff based on the One Show idea.
Do you mean opted regional news on News 24 or a regional round-up on the national channel? Personally, I can't see how the latter would attract viewers. People in any given part of the country are not going to watch a news channel because of low-key news from a region they don't live in.
JH
True, but I was referring to what I thought had been suggested (subject to clarification) which is a kind of specific regional round-up, akin to the UK Today slot on the old ITV News Channel. A kind of "what's happening in the BBC East region today, Bob?" (or whoever, or whatever region).
itsrobert posted:
Isn't News 24 already providing regional news, though? I mean, any piece of news that happens in the UK happens in one of the regions/nations. That means any UK story they cover can be classed as regional just as easily as national.
True, but I was referring to what I thought had been suggested (subject to clarification) which is a kind of specific regional round-up, akin to the UK Today slot on the old ITV News Channel. A kind of "what's happening in the BBC East region today, Bob?" (or whoever, or whatever region).
SP
Maybe News 24 could do a "round the regions" feature during the 5.00 hour with one region doing a 30 second tease for its top couple of stories and then throwing to the next region. Although that said, could they get feeds from each region simultaneously?
ST
UK Today was originally a BBC ONE/News24 simulcast in the days before they had the ability to show regional programmes at 6:30pm on BBC ONE on Sky.
Jonathan H posted:
.... what I thought had been suggested (subject to clarification) which is a kind of specific regional round-up, akin to the
UK Today
slot on the old ITV News Channel..
UK Today was originally a BBC ONE/News24 simulcast in the days before they had the ability to show regional programmes at 6:30pm on BBC ONE on Sky.
DA
News 24 cannot currently have any regional segments as it cannot distribute them to the correct locations in the UK. I would imagine that somewhere down the line one day it will start to offer regional news as after a full digital switchover there wont be as bigger need for News on Mainstream chnnels but who knows.
Davidjb
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Steve in Pudsey posted:
Maybe News 24 could do a "round the regions" feature during the 5.00 hour with one region doing a 30 second tease for its top couple of stories and then throwing to the next region. Although that said, could they get feeds from each region simultaneously?
News 24 cannot currently have any regional segments as it cannot distribute them to the correct locations in the UK. I would imagine that somewhere down the line one day it will start to offer regional news as after a full digital switchover there wont be as bigger need for News on Mainstream chnnels but who knows.
SP
I was meaning each region doing a short piece on News 24 nationally, so you might have Harry Gration trailing the local top story then handing to Gordon Burns to do the same who would hand to Peter Levy and he'd hand to Carol Malia.
Or something like that.
Or something like that.