NG
quite a bit for what it is and i will be so pleased next year to see the back of the breakfast and nationals sets-I mean come on it is preaty bad not a match to the 1999 set.
You have to be kidding - the original beige pillar with newsroom mirror image backdrop set was pretty bad.
The 2003 set was a major improvement - and the 2006 Barco installation a brave attempt at something new, other than a CSO virtual set. Given that the 1999 set was designed for a maximum of two presenters and one guest, the current set-up, in an identical space, allowing sofa chat and two presenters and two guests is a pretty big improvement in flexibility terms, and the screens allow for much more flexibility in production techniques.
The 1999 set basically allowed for :
Presenter MCU
Presenter Inset
Second (Sport Presenter) MCU
Presenter at screen
Guest
with a couple of 2 shots and wides.
And the ever-varying newsroom mirror image projector never looked dynamic or convincing (mainly because real newsrooms are quite dull unless they have been heavily set-dressed and "designed" from the floor up)
I wouldn't expect to see the Barcos in either News studio skipped for many a year - so any new set is going to be new furniture surrounded by the existing walls (though they can obviously be re-lit below and above the projector cubes)
noggin
Founding member
looknorth posted:
the eye posted:
Just a question, how much did the N6 revamp in 2006 cost does anyone know?
Ta
Ta
quite a bit for what it is and i will be so pleased next year to see the back of the breakfast and nationals sets-I mean come on it is preaty bad not a match to the 1999 set.
You have to be kidding - the original beige pillar with newsroom mirror image backdrop set was pretty bad.
The 2003 set was a major improvement - and the 2006 Barco installation a brave attempt at something new, other than a CSO virtual set. Given that the 1999 set was designed for a maximum of two presenters and one guest, the current set-up, in an identical space, allowing sofa chat and two presenters and two guests is a pretty big improvement in flexibility terms, and the screens allow for much more flexibility in production techniques.
The 1999 set basically allowed for :
Presenter MCU
Presenter Inset
Second (Sport Presenter) MCU
Presenter at screen
Guest
with a couple of 2 shots and wides.
And the ever-varying newsroom mirror image projector never looked dynamic or convincing (mainly because real newsrooms are quite dull unless they have been heavily set-dressed and "designed" from the floor up)
I wouldn't expect to see the Barcos in either News studio skipped for many a year - so any new set is going to be new furniture surrounded by the existing walls (though they can obviously be re-lit below and above the projector cubes)
IT
itsrobert
Founding member
Functionally, you have a point noggin. Clearly, the 2003 and 2006 sets have had a lot more functionality to them. Cosmetically, however, the 1999 set and its 2001 refresh were a lot better. They were clean and simple with nice warm colours. I especially liked the changes made in 2001, lasting until early 2003. It felt cosy and welcoming. The sets since then have been too cold, clinical and unwelcoming. They look too spacious, too, which doesn't exactly have a welcoming effect.
LO
2001 set was the best with the red bars.It blended really well with the cream era (which in my opinion was the best era of bbc news yet),Did N24 ever de-camp to N6 in the cream era? i remember them often de-camping to N9.
itsrobert posted:
Functionally, you have a point noggin. Clearly, the 2003 and 2006 sets have had a lot more functionality to them. Cosmetically, however, the 1999 set and its 2001 refresh were a lot better. They were clean and simple with nice warm colours. I especially liked the changes made in 2001, lasting until early 2003. It felt cosy and welcoming. The sets since then have been too cold, clinical and unwelcoming. They look too spacious, too, which doesn't exactly have a welcoming effect.
2001 set was the best with the red bars.It blended really well with the cream era (which in my opinion was the best era of bbc news yet),Did N24 ever de-camp to N6 in the cream era? i remember them often de-camping to N9.
NG
We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I personally hated the 1999 set - the beige was blandness personified - and apart from some red carpet there was almost no colour in the set at all... Even the insets were a muddy beige surround (once they got rid of the blood red soft edge surround very early on) The main guest close-up was entirely a bland beige background. Can't say it felt warm or inviting - it felt a bit 1970s Open University to me... (Well if it had been hessian with a bit of texture it might have been an improvement)
When they went 16:9 with this look it was even worse. The left side of the screen was entirely a block of magnolia once you'd got out of 4:3...
The desk didn't help either - the double beer barrel just looked odd I thought - though wasn't a major limitation for a single headed bulletin. Never quite saw the point of it...
I especially liked the changes made in 2001, lasting until early 2003. It felt cosy and welcoming.
The 2001 red and metal additions helped - as did the oval rather than double-circle desk. The red panel behind the guest close-up lifted that as well - an improvement certainly.
With the artworked rather than live newsroom backdrop (introduced after the TV Centre bombing) the background improved a bit as well. However the down-the-line screen used for interviews, weather and reporter big-screens was limitingly small, and the set wasn't suitable for dual presentation.
With a desire to double-head the Six, a new studio was needed that provided more flexibility.
The sets since then have been too cold, clinical and unwelcoming. They look too spacious, too, which doesn't exactly have a welcoming effect.
I can see your point about the current set being cooler than the 2003 version - but I don't think the 2003 symmetrical version was either too big or too cold. It made a much better use of the space available, though even then couldn't accommodate more than two people that successfully (though Hardtalk tried) - which is why interviews with reporters who would otherwise have been in the studio were either done as bigscreens or via the newsroom camera on the Six.
(The 2001 variant was so small that a reporter at the big screen could put his standby scripts on the presenter desk, and had to be careful not to wander into shot. )
Both the 2003 and 2006 sets have also introduced more and more flexibility in look - with the 2003 set having the ability to change the colour of the panels (red, blue, purple etc.) in the set and to have different backdrops in the "Newsroom" backing projectors, and the 2006 version obviously has huge flexibility in backdrop.
Given the requirement for studios to make more and more shows that appeared - and the requirement to be able to make the same show in different studios - the 2006 set was an inevitable evolution. I'd still rather have this version than ITVs chroma-key hell.
noggin
Founding member
itsrobert posted:
Functionally, you have a point noggin. Clearly, the 2003 and 2006 sets have had a lot more functionality to them. Cosmetically, however, the 1999 set and its 2001 refresh were a lot better. They were clean and simple with nice warm colours.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I personally hated the 1999 set - the beige was blandness personified - and apart from some red carpet there was almost no colour in the set at all... Even the insets were a muddy beige surround (once they got rid of the blood red soft edge surround very early on) The main guest close-up was entirely a bland beige background. Can't say it felt warm or inviting - it felt a bit 1970s Open University to me... (Well if it had been hessian with a bit of texture it might have been an improvement)
When they went 16:9 with this look it was even worse. The left side of the screen was entirely a block of magnolia once you'd got out of 4:3...
The desk didn't help either - the double beer barrel just looked odd I thought - though wasn't a major limitation for a single headed bulletin. Never quite saw the point of it...
Quote:
I especially liked the changes made in 2001, lasting until early 2003. It felt cosy and welcoming.
The 2001 red and metal additions helped - as did the oval rather than double-circle desk. The red panel behind the guest close-up lifted that as well - an improvement certainly.
With the artworked rather than live newsroom backdrop (introduced after the TV Centre bombing) the background improved a bit as well. However the down-the-line screen used for interviews, weather and reporter big-screens was limitingly small, and the set wasn't suitable for dual presentation.
With a desire to double-head the Six, a new studio was needed that provided more flexibility.
Quote:
The sets since then have been too cold, clinical and unwelcoming. They look too spacious, too, which doesn't exactly have a welcoming effect.
I can see your point about the current set being cooler than the 2003 version - but I don't think the 2003 symmetrical version was either too big or too cold. It made a much better use of the space available, though even then couldn't accommodate more than two people that successfully (though Hardtalk tried) - which is why interviews with reporters who would otherwise have been in the studio were either done as bigscreens or via the newsroom camera on the Six.
(The 2001 variant was so small that a reporter at the big screen could put his standby scripts on the presenter desk, and had to be careful not to wander into shot. )
Both the 2003 and 2006 sets have also introduced more and more flexibility in look - with the 2003 set having the ability to change the colour of the panels (red, blue, purple etc.) in the set and to have different backdrops in the "Newsroom" backing projectors, and the 2006 version obviously has huge flexibility in backdrop.
Given the requirement for studios to make more and more shows that appeared - and the requirement to be able to make the same show in different studios - the 2006 set was an inevitable evolution. I'd still rather have this version than ITVs chroma-key hell.
MI
Lovely bit of cringeworthy TV just then on N24. Peter Sissons, stuttering as someone whispered in his ear, introduces a live phone interview with regard to UEFA calling in "Europol" (his word, not mine) to investigate match fixing. The expert's name is Graham Bean. Sissons opened the questioning with : "I'm joined on the line by Graham Bean. Mister Bean, what do you think....."
Classic.
Classic.
LO
We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I personally hated the 1999 set - the beige was blandness personified - and apart from some red carpet there was almost no colour in the set at all... Even the insets were a muddy beige surround (once they got rid of the blood red soft edge surround very early on) The main guest close-up was entirely a bland beige background. Can't say it felt warm or inviting - it felt a bit 1970s Open University to me... (Well if it had been hessian with a bit of texture it might have been an improvement)
When they went 16:9 with this look it was even worse. The left side of the screen was entirely a block of magnolia once you'd got out of 4:3...
The desk didn't help either - the double beer barrel just looked odd I thought - though wasn't a major limitation for a single headed bulletin. Never quite saw the point of it...
I especially liked the changes made in 2001, lasting until early 2003. It felt cosy and welcoming.
The 2001 red and metal additions helped - as did the oval rather than double-circle desk. The red panel behind the guest close-up lifted that as well - an improvement certainly.
With the artworked rather than live newsroom backdrop (introduced after the TV Centre bombing) the background improved a bit as well. However the down-the-line screen used for interviews, weather and reporter big-screens was limitingly small, and the set wasn't suitable for dual presentation.
With a desire to double-head the Six, a new studio was needed that provided more flexibility.
The sets since then have been too cold, clinical and unwelcoming. They look too spacious, too, which doesn't exactly have a welcoming effect.
I can see your point about the current set being cooler than the 2003 version - but I don't think the 2003 symmetrical version was either too big or too cold. It made a much better use of the space available, though even then couldn't accommodate more than two people that successfully (though Hardtalk tried) - which is why interviews with reporters who would otherwise have been in the studio were either done as bigscreens or via the newsroom camera on the Six.
(The 2001 variant was so small that a reporter at the big screen could put his standby scripts on the presenter desk, and had to be careful not to wander into shot. )
Both the 2003 and 2006 sets have also introduced more and more flexibility in look - with the 2003 set having the ability to change the colour of the panels (red, blue, purple etc.) in the set and to have different backdrops in the "Newsroom" backing projectors, and the 2006 version obviously has huge flexibility in backdrop.
Given the requirement for studios to make more and more shows that appeared - and the requirement to be able to make the same show in different studios - the 2006 set was an inevitable evolution. I'd still rather have this version than ITVs chroma-key hell.
What did newsnight look like in the 1999 N6 when it was in there during the power cut.?
noggin posted:
itsrobert posted:
Functionally, you have a point noggin. Clearly, the 2003 and 2006 sets have had a lot more functionality to them. Cosmetically, however, the 1999 set and its 2001 refresh were a lot better. They were clean and simple with nice warm colours.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I personally hated the 1999 set - the beige was blandness personified - and apart from some red carpet there was almost no colour in the set at all... Even the insets were a muddy beige surround (once they got rid of the blood red soft edge surround very early on) The main guest close-up was entirely a bland beige background. Can't say it felt warm or inviting - it felt a bit 1970s Open University to me... (Well if it had been hessian with a bit of texture it might have been an improvement)
When they went 16:9 with this look it was even worse. The left side of the screen was entirely a block of magnolia once you'd got out of 4:3...
The desk didn't help either - the double beer barrel just looked odd I thought - though wasn't a major limitation for a single headed bulletin. Never quite saw the point of it...
Quote:
I especially liked the changes made in 2001, lasting until early 2003. It felt cosy and welcoming.
The 2001 red and metal additions helped - as did the oval rather than double-circle desk. The red panel behind the guest close-up lifted that as well - an improvement certainly.
With the artworked rather than live newsroom backdrop (introduced after the TV Centre bombing) the background improved a bit as well. However the down-the-line screen used for interviews, weather and reporter big-screens was limitingly small, and the set wasn't suitable for dual presentation.
With a desire to double-head the Six, a new studio was needed that provided more flexibility.
Quote:
The sets since then have been too cold, clinical and unwelcoming. They look too spacious, too, which doesn't exactly have a welcoming effect.
I can see your point about the current set being cooler than the 2003 version - but I don't think the 2003 symmetrical version was either too big or too cold. It made a much better use of the space available, though even then couldn't accommodate more than two people that successfully (though Hardtalk tried) - which is why interviews with reporters who would otherwise have been in the studio were either done as bigscreens or via the newsroom camera on the Six.
(The 2001 variant was so small that a reporter at the big screen could put his standby scripts on the presenter desk, and had to be careful not to wander into shot. )
Both the 2003 and 2006 sets have also introduced more and more flexibility in look - with the 2003 set having the ability to change the colour of the panels (red, blue, purple etc.) in the set and to have different backdrops in the "Newsroom" backing projectors, and the 2006 version obviously has huge flexibility in backdrop.
Given the requirement for studios to make more and more shows that appeared - and the requirement to be able to make the same show in different studios - the 2006 set was an inevitable evolution. I'd still rather have this version than ITVs chroma-key hell.
What did newsnight look like in the 1999 N6 when it was in there during the power cut.?
IT
itsrobert
Founding member
I've just remembered that I've had the following images sitting on some webspace since April 2002 so thought I may as well post them here again. For some reason, BBC Four News decamped to N6 (from BBC World, N9) one evening that month:
http://www.btinternet.com/~robc86/Images/BBC4_George_Alagiah_N6_2.jpghttp://www.btinternet.com/~robc86/Images/BBC4_George_Alagiah_N6_3.jpg
http://www.btinternet.com/~robc86/Images/BBC4_George_Alagiah_N6_5.jpghttp://www.btinternet.com/~robc86/Images/BBC4_George_Alagiah_N6_6.jpg
http://www.btinternet.com/~robc86/Images/BBC4_George_Alagiah_N6_10.jpg
Quite a nice look, IMO. To me, that looks a lot more cosy and welcoming than the current set (and, actually looks quite spacious given its real size).
http://www.btinternet.com/~robc86/Images/BBC4_George_Alagiah_N6_2.jpghttp://www.btinternet.com/~robc86/Images/BBC4_George_Alagiah_N6_3.jpg
http://www.btinternet.com/~robc86/Images/BBC4_George_Alagiah_N6_5.jpghttp://www.btinternet.com/~robc86/Images/BBC4_George_Alagiah_N6_6.jpg
http://www.btinternet.com/~robc86/Images/BBC4_George_Alagiah_N6_10.jpg
Quite a nice look, IMO. To me, that looks a lot more cosy and welcoming than the current set (and, actually looks quite spacious given its real size).