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January 2007 onwards (January 2007)

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ST
Stuart
Moz posted:
I'd have thought something like this...
Arrow January - Breakfast and 6 move into TC7
Arrow February - 1 and 10 move into TC10 with CSO background leaving N6 free for upgrade
Arrow April - News 24 moves into N6 leaving N8 free for upgrade
Arrow June - World moves into N8

My thoughts are similar, but why tie up TC10 with CSO? Easier to :

Arrow move 1 and 10 to N8 (get public used to simulcasting all the time)
Arrow at the same time move the 6 and Breakfast to TC7 (retain background & set furniture)
Arrow N6 - refurbish gallery etc (4-6 weeks) while not used
Arrow Then move 1, 10 and N24 to N6 (relaunch with new BBC News identity)
Arrow N8 - refurbish gallery/set etc (6-8 weeks)
Arrow Move World and mothball N9 as soon as N8 is ready.

The great unwashed (the viewing public) would hardly notice until some miraculous revamp one day when the backgrounds in N6 and TC7 suddenly changed (along with bits of furniture) and could be nicely timed to be just before ITV1's re-launch of News At Ten. Laughing

The move of World from N9 to N8 can take place after all the domestic news moves have been completed.
PS
Psythor
How are they going to fit both Working Lunch and the One O'Clock News into the same studio? The programmes are usually on at 12:30 and 1pm, so they'd have to be pretty quick switching them around.

Baseless speculation:
Working Lunch axed?! A set up like the Politics Show / Sunday AM has?! A massive U-turn when they realise how silly it is making cuts from news?!
BN
Breakfast News
Psythor posted:
How are they going to fit both Working Lunch and the One O'Clock News into the same studio? The programmes are usually on at 12:30 and 1pm, so they'd have to be pretty quick switching them around.

Baseless speculation:
Working Lunch axed?! A set up like the Politics Show / Sunday AM has?! A massive U-turn when they realise how silly it is making cuts from news?!


The One is staying in N6, and Working Lunch is staying in TC7.....
MO
Moz
Psythor posted:
How are they going to fit both Working Lunch and the One O'Clock News into the same studio? The programmes are usually on at 12:30 and 1pm, so they'd have to be pretty quick switching them around.

Baseless speculation:
Working Lunch axed?! A set up like the Politics Show / Sunday AM has?! A massive U-turn when they realise how silly it is making cuts from news?!

Yeah, no-one said that the One was moving into TC7, neither is the Ten, because of Working Lunch, and Newsnight in the Ten's case. Both of these will eventually go back to N6, but will have a temporary home not in N6 or TC7 when N6 closes for refit.

Only Breakfast and the Six are moving to TC7.
PS
Psythor
Moz posted:
Psythor posted:
How are they going to fit both Working Lunch and the One O'Clock News into the same studio? The programmes are usually on at 12:30 and 1pm, so they'd have to be pretty quick switching them around.

Baseless speculation:
Working Lunch axed?! A set up like the Politics Show / Sunday AM has?! A massive U-turn when they realise how silly it is making cuts from news?!

Yeah, no-one said that the One was moving into TC7, neither is the Ten, because of Working Lunch, and Newsnight in the Ten's case. Both of these will eventually go back to N6, but will have a temporary home not in N6 or TC7 when N6 closes for refit.

Only Breakfast and the Six are moving to TC7.


Oh, right, I must have spectacularly misread. My apologies.
LO
looknorth
Moz posted:
I'd have thought something like this...

Arrow January - Breakfast and 6 move into TC7
Arrow February - 1 and 10 move into TC10 with CSO background leaving N6 free for upgrade
Arrow April - News 24 moves into N6 leaving N8 free for upgrade
Arrow June - World moves into N8

Does this look realistic?


News 24 is going to look rubish in N6.
N6 would be the one i would close.
keeping n24 in N8 and world in N9 nationals comeing from N8 breakfast from TC7.
MI
m_in_m
I would imagine how BBC News 24 has looked when decamping to N6 is not necessarily how it will look when it moves permanently. Being in there for a weekend is a little different to it becoming their home.
NG
noggin Founding member
Moz posted:

Yeah, no-one said that the One was moving into TC7, neither is the Ten, because of Working Lunch, and Newsnight in the Ten's case. Both of these will eventually go back to N6, but will have a temporary home not in N6 or TC7 when N6 closes for refit.

Only Breakfast and the Six are moving to TC7.


Don't jump to conclusions about where programmes will move temporarily - decisions may not have been made. The one thing that is almost guaranteed is that nobody will be broadcasting from a studio not run by News...
LE
Look East
I'm just trying to weigh up the cost cutting exercise in my head. Surely when the BBC move News and Radio opeations to BH in 2011/12 the expenditure will be collosal, by then HD may be commonplace or at least expected in new kit within the industry. Not only this but even fitting out bare rooms with servers, production suites, recording studios and offices will take a big chunk of money.

Can the BBC really justify this new TVC setup for what, at most will last them 5 years? I may be wrong, afterall the current BBC News hub at TVC was opened in 98, so the BBC has used this area for News for 9 years currently, increasing to 14 years time come 2011/12, seems daft to me, I understand that they have outgrown TVC for News, or the area is no longer viable for a major upgrade, but why swap literally everything around in 2008 when really the end result and usage from the changes would be negligable.

EDIT: My spelling is horrible! New keyboard so excuse my teething problems!
NG
noggin Founding member
Look East posted:
I'm just trying to weigh up the cost cutting exercise in my head. Surely when the BBC move News and Radio opeations to BH in 2011/12 the expenditure will be collosal, by then HD may be commonplace or at least expected in new kit within the industry. Not only this but even fitting out bare rooms with servers, production suites, recording studios and offices will take a big chunk of money.

Can the BBC really justify this new TVC setup for what, at most will last them 5 years? I may be wrong, afterall the current BBC News hub at TVC was opened in 98, so the BBC has used this area for News for 9 years currently, increasing to 14 years time come 2011/12, seems daft to me, I understand that they have outgrown TVC for News, or the area is no longer viable for a major upgrade, but why swap literally everything around in 2008 when really the end result and usage from the changes would be negliable.


The major reason for the move to BH is that World Service Radio have to get out of Bush House (the lease expires) and there has been a longstanding aim to co-site BBC World Service and BBC News in the same building. The News Centre is nowhere near big enough (think of the number of radio studios needed) and BH IS a suitable location.

At least the BBC will still own its News studios - can you believe they are selling their resources arm AND their studio site in London, only to spend hundreds of millions moving to a site in Salford where they will own NO significant studio production facilities at all, and instead will be paying out money to a third party to purchase guaranteed studio time in their facilities? I can see why they are trying to kill Blue Peter before they move...

As for the proposed changes at TV Centre. They are being undertaken to meet the requirements for News to make a cut of 20% in its budget over the next few years. By merging the News 24 and BBC One newsrooms you can make significant cost cuts, as you can by merging Radio News and Online into this newsroom as well. The reduction in the number of Editors (production not picture) and Assistant Editors that this has supposedly allowed is pretty huge, as News 24 and BBC One bulletins will increasingly share production staff. (Editorial responsibility for the One will be devolved to the News 24 controller, News 24 overnights staff fall under Breakfast I believe, and the Six and the Ten will be edited by the current Ten editor)
LE
Look East
noggin posted:
Look East posted:
I'm just trying to weigh up the cost cutting exercise in my head. Surely when the BBC move News and Radio opeations to BH in 2011/12 the expenditure will be collosal, by then HD may be commonplace or at least expected in new kit within the industry. Not only this but even fitting out bare rooms with servers, production suites, recording studios and offices will take a big chunk of money.

Can the BBC really justify this new TVC setup for what, at most will last them 5 years? I may be wrong, afterall the current BBC News hub at TVC was opened in 98, so the BBC has used this area for News for 9 years currently, increasing to 14 years time come 2011/12, seems daft to me, I understand that they have outgrown TVC for News, or the area is no longer viable for a major upgrade, but why swap literally everything around in 2008 when really the end result and usage from the changes would be negliable.


The major reason for the move to BH is that World Service Radio have to get out of Bush House (the lease expires) and there has been a longstanding aim to co-site BBC World Service and BBC News in the same building. The News Centre is nowhere near big enough (think of the number of radio studios needed) and BH IS a suitable location.

At least the BBC will still own its news studios - can you believe they are selling their resources arm AND their studio site in London, only to spend hundreds of millions moving to a site in Salford where they will own NO significant studio production facilities at all? I can see why they are trying to kill Blue Peter before they move...


Interesting to read that. I guess that means the big live events of the future, such as Children and Need (which will always require that large studio space) will start to become potentially expensive operations, unless some agreement is made.

It is a shame, but then the BBC is being forced to stand on it's own two feet a little more lately, but with that should come more internal responsibility; to produce the content that doesn't always have to tick the boxes of correctness. It's an interesting time ahead that's for sure.
NG
noggin Founding member
Moz posted:
I'd have thought something like this...

Arrow January - Breakfast and 6 move into TC7
Arrow February - 1 and 10 move into TC10 with CSO background leaving N6 free for upgrade
Arrow April - News 24 moves into N6 leaving N8 free for upgrade
Arrow June - World moves into N8

Does this look realistic?


Unlike a few years ago TC10 (where News 24 decamped to for weeks a few years back when N24 got its current set) and TC11 (where Newsnight, Working Lunch and Newsround decamped to last year) are unlikely to be options as they are both operated by BBC Resources and would be charged out at competitive rates. (Which News would never pay in the current cost-cutting climate)

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