BBC News continuity: BBC News 24 to drop the 24? (p3) - Page 3

DG

Dan Gooding 4 June 2006 7:23pm

seamus21514 posted:

The current ones are so out of date. I think all across the board should have the BBC Wales one. I like it because the white background shows individuality, yet is still in line with the national titles, and you could put the region shape on the globe like wales. Also, I think a virtual studio that would look like a mini version of the current set would be good, but would be cheaper b/c I'ts virtual. Or I would actually prefer a BBC World set , with the big background of the city, like the dc or ny one.

That's what i meant! If people prefer to see images of their region, why not have the swirls give way and sort of animate on the edge of the screen so we can see the images, and then the logo form at the end

SE

seamus 4 June 2006 7:35pm

I'm really not a big fan of labie nairn. Its just a bit bland. But complicated at the same time.

PE

Pete Founding member 4 June 2006 8:20pm

rts posted:

I also remember feeling a bit of wally when I realised that beyond the map of the region, in slightly darker blue than the background you could see the remainder of the UK.

I found that out about 15 seconds ago

TG

TG 4 June 2006 8:25pm

TBH, those titles could have looked better, if the rest of the country had been shaded a rather darker blue, so you could see exactly where your region fitted in.

Particularly with the Midlands regions, a darker blue UK made obvious around those weird orange blobs (which, as inland regions, is all they really were!) would have made it a little more obvious what the shape WAS.

I can;t mock this up - I'm currently running on an ancient PC, but imagine the map, rather darker, perhaps even with each separate region outlined as well, so you can see all the different BBC regions around the edge...

GE

thegeek Founding member 5 June 2006 6:24pm

doctorvee posted:

I think it is now only used as a logo for Radio Scotland (but sometimes not even then

). It is a brilliant logo.

Yup - it still survives (just about) on the Radio Scotland website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/radioscotland/images/common/banner/radio_scotland_logo.gif

They did some great stings in the 90s, during the "BBC Scotland on One/Two" era, like this one (from the TV Room):
http://thetvroom.com/images-bbc-one/bbc-one-91/ident-scot-b.jpg

This is, of course, almost entirely off topic.

CW

Charlie Wells Moderator 12 June 2006 8:35am

And in todays' Media Guardian...
http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,,1794299,00.html

Quote:

BBC to create single news brand

Leigh Holmwood
Monday June 12, 2006

The BBC is looking to rebrand all its domestic news outlets, including its News 24 channel, under the BBC News name.

News 24 and the BBC News website will take the first step towards the change by adopting the same updated maroon and grey colour scheme given to the main BBC1 news bulletins at the beginning of May.

One BBC news source said plans to "tweak" the website had already been signed off with the new look set to go live soon.

It is also thought News 24 will be given a new on-air look within the next few months.

"News 24 will have a rejig to bring it into line [with the rest of BBC news] while the website will also have a little tweak to bring the whole brand together," the source said.

"The news website used to be called BBC News Online but it is just known as BBC News now. The whole brand will just be known as BBC News."

In the longer term, the News 24 name is expected to be dropped and the channel retitled BBC News as part of a move to create a uniform brand across all the corporation's output on TV, radio and online.

The BBC director general, Mark Thompson, is understood to have let slip in a recent meeting with senior managers that News 24 would be renamed BBC News as part of the move to create a uniform brand.

However, it may be more than a year before the change is fully implemented, as BBC News executives work through the practical implications arising from Mr Thompson's Creative Future plan for the corporation's output to be available "any time, any place, anywhere" - the so-called "Martini media" strategy.

The BBC's domestic rolling news channel has been branded News 24 since it launched in November 1997.

News 24 initially attracted criticism for being inferior in quality to the BBC's established TV news bulletins.

But it has improved markedly in the past few years and won the Royal Television Society news channel of the year award this year, breaking arch rival Sky News' domination of the category.

A BBC spokeswoman said: "We are looking at branding in general terms, but there is nothing imminent."

MO

Moz 12 June 2006 9:05am

So they are moving to red & grey. Perhaps like I suggested a while ago...

http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/image2_copy1.jpg

CH

chris 12 June 2006 10:07am

Charlie Wells posted:

And in todays' Media Guardian...

So, they're ditching the name "BBC NEWS 24", and just going to call it "BBC NEWS" (very confusing - how will you distinguish between BBC ONE bullitins and "NEWS 24"?).

And will the news 24 studio be changed?

MO

Moz 12 June 2006 10:41am

chris posted:

So, they're ditching the name "BBC NEWS 24", and just going to call it "BBC NEWS" (very confusing - how will you distinguish between BBC ONE bullitins and "NEWS 24"?)

The BBC One bulletins are "News 24" now!

BBC News will be on air 24 hours a day on it's own channel, and BBC One will 'dip in', simulcasting it's Breakfast, 1, 6 and 10 programmes.

I just hope it doesn't get referred to a "the BBC News channel". Officially there is a channel called CBBC, but it is referred to as "the CBBC channel" to differentiate it from CBBC programmes on BBC One and Two.

SP

Spencer 12 June 2006 10:54am

Moz posted:

I just hope it doesn't get referred to a "the BBC News channel". Officially there is a channel called CBBC, but it is referred to as "the CBBC channel" to differentiate it from CBBC programmes on BBC One and Two.

I can't see how else they'd refer to it. It'd sound very odd at the end of the 1, 6 and 10 if the presenter were to say, "...blah blah continues on BBC News..."

CH

chris 12 June 2006 10:56am

Moz posted:

I just hope it doesn't get referred to a "the BBC News channel".

That's what I mean. There must be a way to differentiate the bullitins. What will they say when they say currently "there's more news on bbc news 24"? "There's more news on bbc news"? WHAT???

I think it's pointless changing the name, except when it becomes unnessessary to have BBC ONE bullitins (after the complete digital switchover).

LO

LONDON 12 June 2006 11:01am

Moz posted:

chris posted:

So, they're ditching the name "BBC NEWS 24", and just going to call it "BBC NEWS" (very confusing - how will you distinguish between BBC ONE bullitins and "NEWS 24"?)

The BBC One bulletins are "News 24" now!

BBC News will be on air 24 hours a day on it's own channel, and BBC One will 'dip in', simulcasting it's Breakfast, 1, 6 and 10 programmes.

I disagree with this. Your post Moz makes it sound like BBC 1 simulcast BBC News, despite there being different programmeing. For example at the weekends currently News 24 carries full 30 to 60 minute bulletins compared to BBC 1's 5 to 15 minute bulletins. Although simulcasting of these bulletins took place when BBC 1 was moving studio, it seems very disruptive to the flow of BBC News 24. In the past few months the BBC have said that they have a commitment to Breaking News, if they have to stay with the same BBC News bulltin they will not be able to carry the breaking News, possibly this was one of the downfalls of the itv News Channel. Likewise the audience on BBC 1 do not want to roll with breaking news for 15 minutes while BBC 1 dip in, but instead want a full comprehensive look at the days events. Yes there is simulcasing during the week of Breakfast, the 1, 6 & 10, but News 24 breaks away from these bulletins when there is breaking news either during or just before they go on air.
Therefore i think that it is likely that the current arrangement will continue with two seperate studios, with BBC News simulcasting some of the BBC 1 bulletins, pulling away when they need to.

My question with the changes, will BBC News 24 get a new set when it drops the 24 brand, or will the current one be adapted. I do think that the channel could benefit from the use of a video wall, but it is also important to maintain a live Newsroom view, giving the viewer the chance to see into the news behind the presenters.

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BBC News 24 to drop the 24? (p3) (June 2006)