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IT
itsrobert Founding member
Moz posted:
Daniel, that is a very simplistic and naive view of how these things work. If you think the National presenter only works for half an hour with a bit of prep time before then you're mistaken. There's a lot more to it behind the scenes than that. Just take a look at some of the behind the scenes videos on YouTube. There are meetings to attend, scripts to prepare, correspondents with whom to liaise. They don't just turn up a few minutes before TX and read words that other people have written.

And I really wouldn't get into salaries if I were you. For a start, that is a very personal thing and is rather tasteless to speculate about; and secondly, it's frightfully complicated as some will be staffers and others freelance and thus paid by the hour. And hours don't just equate to on air time, either.

I take issue with most what is said above.

Why does it take the presenter of a 30 minute bulletin more time to prepare for something that a News Channel presenter just has to deal with if it breaks when their on air. It's the NC presenters who work harder?

As for salaries? Why are they so secret? They're civil servants in effect and we pay their wages, so we should be told what they earn.

Who said anything about the National presenters working harder than NC presenters? They are completely different roles. The NC is a heck of a lot more fluid, producers are likely to write a lot of the scripts, correspondents are thrown into the mix at short notice and the presenters generally just ask rather generic questions of them "tell us more" etc. The National bulletins are much more structured, planned and rehearsed affairs where presenters write their own scripts, liaise with correspondents to find out exactly what questions they want to be asked, and attend editorial meetings to help in the journalistic decisions about the programme and its running order. This is how you end up with a professional and polished programme. But, if you'd like a Ten O'Clock News that feels like the News Channel (i.e. rushed and impromtu with technical hitches here and there) then axe the National presenters if you like.
SA
samwsmith1
It seems like a massive waste of money, the national presenter gets paid the same, if not more, as the NC presenters yet only do half an hour a day plus trails and prep before. I suppose now it isn't as bad in Huw's case as he does the NC Five (that is if it isn't another salary on top of his National one). I am guessing that George will get paid separately for GMT and the Six, as they count as two jobs, rather than two duties under one job?


Ideally, in ascending order, which set of presenters should get the lowest, highest: N24 presenters, NN presenters, nationals, WN?


NN?

World is separately funded so that isn't in this.

Personally I think it should be N24/Weekend, National, Feature programme Presenters (GMT, Global etc), Breakfast.


NN means News Night

Misread the quote.
Last edited by samwsmith1 on 18 March 2013 12:27am
MO
Moz
Cando posted:
Moz posted:


As for salaries? Why are they so secret? They're civil servants in effect and we pay their wages, so we should be told what they earn.


Presumably for the same reason ITV, C4 AND SKY don't Rolling Eyes Does it have to be spelled out Confused

Sorry, you've lost me there. BBC employees are paid by the license payer - ie all of us. So are, in effect, civil servants. ITV, C4 and Sky employees are quite different.
HA
harshy Founding member
I think we are all gonna get done talking about presenters in a presentation thread.
MO
Moz
It seems like a massive waste of money, the national presenter gets paid the same, if not more, as the NC presenters yet only do half an hour a day plus trails and prep before. I suppose now it isn't as bad in Huw's case as he does the NC Five (that is if it isn't another salary on top of his National one). I am guessing that George will get paid separately for GMT and the Six, as they count as two jobs, rather than two duties under one job?


Ideally, in ascending order, which set of presenters should get the lowest, highest: N24 presenters, NN presenters, nationals, WN?


NN?

World is separately funded so that isn't in this.

Personally I think it should be N24/Weekend, National, Feature programme Presenters (GMT, Global etc), Breakfast.


NN means News Night

I think in this case it means National News.

Why is TV Forum suddenly inhabited by cretins? It quite clearly says "NN presenters, nationals" so obviously NN doesn't mean national news. How obvious do people need to be?
DK
DanielK
I shall apologise for starting the talk (I think I did?) and if a mod wants to move it to the Presenter thread then okay, this is getting closed later anyway.
IT
itsrobert Founding member
I'd put NN under Feature programmes as well as Sunday Politics, Andrew Marr etc. Obviously for Sunday/Daily they'd get paid more as it is more work, I'm not saying all feature presenters would get paid the same. Also presenter surely shouldn't get paid a constant salary, they should only get paid when they appear on screen/do any reports or editorial stuff. Not the BBC as much, but in general.

You are confusing 'salaried' with 'freelance'. Salaried employees of any company get just that... a regular salary for the work they undertake as a member of staff. A freelancer is someone who is employed on a temporary contract (can be as short as a day) who is paid by the hour and invoices the said organisation for their services.
DK
DanielK
No sorry I mean, for example, a Newsnight presenter may present two weeks straight bar Fridays then may be off for a a week or two then is on a day off a day with someone elsem but is not on holiday for that week or two
MO
Moz
The One O'Clock News, for instance, is quite a hairy show by all accounts. They can get away with it at that time of day, but the evening bulletins rightly need to be polished and professional - even at weekends.

So you're saying that the News Channel hours aren't polished & professional?

I'd say they're far better than the 1/6/10 which are often as dull as dishwater.
IT
itsrobert Founding member
No sorry I mean, for example, a Newsnight presenter may present two weeks straight bar Fridays then may be off for a a week or two then is on a day off a day with someone elsem but is not on holiday for that week or two

My point still stands - if that presenter is a salaried member of staff they will get a salary regardless of which weeks they present, do other recordings, or take a holiday. That's what a salary is. If the presenter was freelance then they would only be paid for services rendered, i.e. when they are actually working at the BBC.
SA
samwsmith1
Moz posted:

Why is TV Forum suddenly inhabited by cretins? It quite clearly says "NN presenters, nationals" so obviously NN doesn't mean national news. How obvious do people need to be?

My apologies, I read it as "NN Means Night Night".
DK
DanielK
Yes okay, in general ( not just the BBC) why should they still get paid if it just happenes that they aren't on rota?

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