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MO
Moz
Jugalug posted:
Moz posted:
noggin posted:
Moz posted:
Does anyone know - noggin perhaps? - whether the LIVE location bug is produced by VizRT (or whatever it's called), or the old graphics system?


The live and location bugs are - I believe - still produced by separate boxes - as they need to cut on and off independently of the VizRT ticker/clock/dog/lower third combos.
Whether the live and location are generated from two bits of kit - (so the live can be recorded without "Live" burned in but with the location burned in)
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I thought first of all that perhaps the VizRT was just lower thirds, but occasionally there's a white bug - library pictures and the like - that looks like it's done by VizRT by the way it animates.

Yep - it is only the location and live bug that cut on and off dynamically on vision mixer cuts, whilst the rest of the graphics remain on-screen, that need to be generated separately.

So can't they get VizRT to do the LIVE and location graphics? It looks a mess, letting the rest down, at the moment.

Did you read Noggin's post? I think it's quite obvious why they don't.

Yes I did read it, but I didn't fully understand why they need to cut on and off independently of the VizRT graphics. These graphics - the DOG/clock, the ticker, the straps - all seem to be able to appear independently of each other, why can't they also do live/location bugs.
JO
Joe
Because you need one without the LIVE bug for playback later.
MO
Moz
Jugalug posted:
Because you need one without the LIVE bug for playback later.

But the VizRT graphics are added live, so they wouldn't be there when they playback later.
JO
Joe
They don't record a clean feed.
MO
Moz
Jugalug posted:
They don't record a clean feed.

So you're saying that if they didn't have the live DOG/clock onscreen, the clock from when they recorded would still be on it?
ST
Stuart
It certainly is a shame to see the 'abandoned N8' in those pics. I wonder how recent they are? Watching the WORLD simulcast last night I wondered how long it will be before they move into N8, or even how much they will change it.

I'm sure noggin will know Wink
TV
archiveTV
rfrancis51284 posted:
BBC News channel DOG and ticker on Breakfast this morning... random astons have also been popping up on the news channel.


They wern't random. They were BBC World News's astons Shocked
HA
harshy Founding member
martinDTanderson posted:
I feel no sympathy, its good the set was abandoned it was the worst they ever had.

I hope World News make use of the space better than what's there currently.


it wasn't too bad, in fact they made pretty good use of the cramped space.
NG
noggin Founding member
Moz posted:
Jugalug posted:
Because you need one without the LIVE bug for playback later.

But the VizRT graphics are added live, so they wouldn't be there when they playback later.


You aren't reading what I said properly.

The LIVE and Location cut on and off as the director/vision mixer cuts between the studio and the OB - but the VizRT ticker/clock/dog and name supers are on-screen all the time. Therefore the Live and Location have to be from a separate graphic source to be able to do this. It could be a VizRT engine - but that is a very expensive and wasteful sledgehammer to crack a nut.
PE
Pete Founding member
In other words, its to make them disappear nicely when they cut back to the studio and they use the cheaper gfx system as they're simple graphics.
NG
noggin Founding member
Jugalug posted:
They don't record a clean feed.


I think they record a semi-clean feed.

The Live dog and ticker/clock/dog/lower thirds aren't present - but the locator can be.

Therefore it MAY be possible to replay the report with the location appearing and disappearing but with the VizRT still doing the name supers, clock/dog/ticker live.

Not sure if this is the case though - and it would depend on the right recording being used.
MO
Moz
noggin posted:
Moz posted:
Jugalug posted:
Because you need one without the LIVE bug for playback later.

But the VizRT graphics are added live, so they wouldn't be there when they playback later.


You aren't reading what I said properly.

The LIVE and Location cut on and off as the director/vision mixer cuts between the studio and the OB - but the VizRT ticker/clock/dog and name supers are on-screen all the time. Therefore the Live and Location have to be from a separate graphic source to be able to do this. It could be a VizRT engine - but that is a very expensive and wasteful sledgehammer to crack a nut.

Ah, OK. Thanks. Would still be nice if they used a nutcracker to crack it though rather than a screwdriver. Just something that would make the red bit and black bit line up.

EDIT: And anyway, they didn't used to cut on and off - often they appeared after the OB came on screen or were still on screen when it cut back to the studio. How do you explain that?

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