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noggin Founding member
martinDTanderson posted:
timgraham posted:
In that instance I think gilsta was referring to Lambie-Nairn.


Not Lambie-Nairn, I think he ment the News 24 staff...


Though for much of the day the screens are being operated by the same vision mixers who have driven them since they were introduced.

The difference is that on a continuous news channel you have to simplify your production to be more flexible. You can't have 42 different combinations of screens when you have to quickly switch between one set-up and another, often with no notice. Instead you need a small number of flexible options, that allow you to know exactly what camera shots, what screen positions (and what destinations feed them) and what graphics sources you need to route quickly, and intuitively.

Sure the screen technology in the studios can deliver some very clever combinations of sources - but you need a full rehearsal and a fixed running order (allowing you time to set-up and clear screen effects) to allow this to happen. A news channel has neither - so has to be simpler...
JF
JamesyFish
Naughty naughty, who just said BBC News Channel

*tuts*

God, we'd better sop this place becoming a catalogue of BBC name gaffes....
WO
Worzel
goldfish97 posted:
Naughty naughty, who just said BBC News Channel

*tuts*

God, we'd better sop this place becoming a catalogue of BBC name gaffes....


Sop with John Sopel, I notice a hint of a joke there Wink
FF
FactorFiles
Hey i know this is one for "requests" but... well no buts...

Anyone got a decent capture of most of the countdown? I saw on YouTube someone recorded around a 58 sec grab one night, but I can't find it again.

I've decided I should probably update my countdowns compilation to include the new one. Smile

If anyone can help me pls send me a message - it's a ******* compiling this thing all the way here in Australia!
IT
itsrobert Founding member
Moz posted:
God there are some idiots here.

Jane Hill is respected as one of the best newsreaders this country has ever seen, and nobody really thinks it matters that much if she occasionally says News 24 instead of BBC News.


I think you've missed the point, Moz. People are not criticising Jane for saying News 24 - we're all pleased because the decision to change to BBC News Channel was a crap one. We're laughing because her (and other presenters') gaffes add fuel to the argument against the change.

I think it's a bit harsh for people to say she's doing it on purpose. As Nathan said, she's been saying the phrase 'News 24' for 10 years - of course she's going to struggle to change it.
GI
gilsta
martinDTanderson posted:
timgraham posted:
In that instance I think gilsta was referring to Lambie-Nairn.


Not Lambie-Nairn, I think he ment the News 24 staff...


Nope, the whole post was referring to LN's brief.

I appreciate noggin's point that the screens are not utilised very well due to the difficulties involved and for this reason, as well as how dull it looks, I really think the new look should have made better use of the studio space than merely moving the desk. Its not right that Newsline etc have better sets than the National and 24 hour news.
OH
ohwhatanight Founding member
noggin posted:


The difference is that on a continuous news channel you have to simplify your production to be more flexible. You can't have 42 different combinations of screens when you have to quickly switch between one set-up and another, often with no notice. Instead you need a small number of flexible options, that allow you to know exactly what camera shots, what screen positions (and what destinations feed them) and what graphics sources you need to route quickly, and intuitively.

Sure the screen technology in the studios can deliver some very clever combinations of sources - but you need a full rehearsal and a fixed running order (allowing you time to set-up and clear screen effects) to allow this to happen. A news channel has neither - so has to be simpler...


But surely the ITV News Channel and Sky News (to a lesser extent) did use to provide various sources and effects in their studios.(without rehearsals?)

I remember ITVNC turning the studio into various things - the backdrop was an art gallery on an Angela Rippon LIVE programme, in one of the Iraq wars a 3-d map would appear infront of the presenters - just to name two things that spring to mind.

Live rendering and source changes can be achieved but I feel the BBC are playing it safe at the moment whilst everyone gets used to the new way of working and technology!
IM
imaginativename
I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet:

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=4667&edition=1&ttl=20080424214842
'Live BBC News 24'
WHAT is the name of this channel? BBC News 24/BBC News/BBC News Channel/The News Channel? I wish they'd make their mind up.
HA
harshy Founding member
Manxy posted:
Simply can everyone stop feeding the troll (Jonathan). I think its time to move on and get back to the actual subject, as this thread is quickly becoming a waste of space.


Just like watching the new BBC News 24 sorry News Channel Sad

I just can't believe, the BBC produced something incredibly stunning for BBC Arabic, beautiful countdown music, beautiful execution of the BBC logo, superb graphics and animation with a very decent studio, and then do the absolute opposite for BBC News itself, its such a shame.
JO
Joe
None of the above. It's "BBC News 24.". With an ugly full stop.
CW
Charlie Wells Moderator
Just a quick note that I've tidied up this thread, and have split some recent posts into a separate topic which is nicely out of sight.
DA
Davidjb Founding member
Worzel posted:
LMAO Smile Smile

Did you just hear Jane Hill..

"Youre watching BBC News 24 with Ben Brown and Jane Hill - whoops i'll get told of for saying that - never mind, the headlines at 1.30"

Class!


Yes i saw this today too. Was quite funny how she made it feel like she thinks it's a silly idea too. Still like people here say she has been saying it for 10 years, it will take a while to adjust. Just out of interest is there someone waiting outside the studio with a whip ready to lash at any presenters who dare mention the number '24'?

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