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Dan S
Hmmm, don't know whether it's just me, but that tree seems 10x bigger than the one that's been superimposed onto the wall for the last 2 Christmases

You're right aconnell, that's not the most flattering shot of Tim! Shocked LOL
HO
House
Hmmm, don't know whether it's just me, but that tree seems 10x bigger than the one that's been superimposed onto the wall for the last 2 Christmases

You're right aconnell, that's not the most flattering shot of Tim! Shocked LOL


I think they've done it to be closer to the presenter than last year's, when it seemed (or at least looked) closer to the back wall of the 'newsroom'.
WO
Worzel
Hmmm, don't know whether it's just me, but that tree seems 10x bigger than the one that's been superimposed onto the wall for the last 2 Christmases

You're right aconnell, that's not the most flattering shot of Tim! Shocked LOL


They're using the amended backdrop (the one with the blue on the beams, rather than them being grey) its also in a slightly different position (obviously because it's a new lightwell backdrop).

Here's a shot of how the Christmas tree looked last year (it's with the old grey beam backdrop).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCtdl2y03CI
DF
DrewF
The Barco's seemed a little confused at the start of the evening bulletin just now, showing the graphic next to Simon McCoy and also on the background behind him
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Worzel
woah posted:
The Barco's seemed a little confused at the start of the evening bulletin just now, showing the graphic next to Simon McCoy and also on the background behind him


Normal day on the BBC News channel... (Joke! Wink ).

Have they done any other mod's to the backdrop?
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DrewF
Here's a cap of what I meant earlier:

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aconnell
woah posted:
Here's a cap of what I meant earlier:

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Does anyone else think that the arrangement of the graphics on the far wall of the Barcos looks really horrible and amateur? Having two images separated by a white line, and a plain white strip of text at the bottom. I think they should go for a single image/graphic that takes up half of the screen length on the Barcos. It's the same on the News Channel and on Breakfast, when a picture is displayed on the Barcos, and the edges cut off to display the rest of the backdrop. I prefer something à la Newsnight, where one image takes the whole length of the Barco, or where the edges of the image are faded.

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Plus, I'm getting bored of the bland Gill Sans graphics used during reports. When quoting someone, or presenting statistics, I just wish they'd use another font to make items stand out more. Seeing Gill Sans is awfully dull.
BB
BBC LDN
Okay, so who's bright idea was it to schedule a broadcast of Newsround: Growing Up In A War Zone at 2:30am on the BBC News Channel?

A part of me can't help but feel that that particular broadcast probably didn't reach a large percentage of the programme's target audience.
BB
BBC LDN
Does anyone else think that the arrangement of the graphics on the far wall of the Barcos looks really horrible and amateur? Having two images separated by a white line, and a plain white strip of text at the bottom. I think they should go for a single image/graphic that takes up half of the screen length on the Barcos. It's the same on the News Channel and on Breakfast, when a picture is displayed on the Barcos, and the edges cut off to display the rest of the backdrop. I prefer something à la Newsnight, where one image takes the whole length of the Barco, or where the edges of the image are faded.

Plus, I'm getting bored of the bland Gill Sans graphics used during reports. When quoting someone, or presenting statistics, I just wish they'd use another font to make items stand out more. Seeing Gill Sans is awfully dull.


As far as the News Channel goes, there is a need for being able to quickly put together graphics that broadly adhere to branding guidelines, and which in some cases need to be updated as new information comes in on a developing story.

Those requirements are far less prevalent in single-point bulletins than in rolling news; the Nationals and Newsnight are less bound by the need for that kind of flexibility, as in many cases the studio graphics are designed to be used only once (i.e those used for backdrops or for live in-studio presentations with a correspondent, often used for 'special reports' during the Six and Ten). For those sorts of graphics, there is typically a bit more time to work on design than is available to the rolling news team, and so there is, in theory, more room for creativity in how designs can be put together; whereas on the News Channel - and to some extent World News as well - there is often much less time (and fewer resources) available to put designs together, and so the graphics used must, by necessity, be relatively simple, and/or based around common themes that can be easily replicated across multiple reports.

The problem is that if you have one set of 'template'-type designs for the rolling news environment, and then provide much greater freedom of fonts and styles for the bulletin graphics, you create a disparity between the two. Often, packages from the bulletins are repeated on the News Channel, and News Channel reports are sometimes edited and repackaged for the bulletins. To remove the commonality that exists across all graphical elements would create something of a mess, reducing consistency and ultimately leading to a much less cohesive look across BBC News output.

I agree that some designs that appear on screen can be pretty bland and uninspired, but this is often a product of the very limited time available to put graphics together prior to broadcast, rather than being down to weak design choices or a restrictive selection of elements (such as fonts, for example).

But taking the last half-hour that I've been watching as an example, I've not found any particularly unpleasant examples of especially weak design, nor of the Gill Sans font contributing to any sense of dullness, though of course I accept that design is always a matter of personal taste.

That said, I think these two examples show that Gill Sans can work perfectly well; hardly mind-blowing, ground-breaking design, I grant you - but both quite pleasant to look at, in my opinion.

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Crucially, and I think this is the most important element, is that although the designs are, in my view, aesthetically acceptable - even aesthetically pleasing in some ways - neither is hugely distracting; they do the job of drawing your attention to a point or a title, but they do not necessarily draw attention to the design itself.

Too often, when I hear calls for better design and more snazzy graphics and what-not, I fear that people forget that the whole point of the simplicity of the current BBC News design package is to ensure that the graphics do not distract one's attention from the actual news story. When the design becomes so eye-catching that it becomes distracting - I'm looking at you, Sky News - then the design is not fit for the purpose of improving one's understanding of the story without drawing one's attention away from it.

In my opinion, while the BBC News graphics aren't pushing the envelope in terms of pizazz and wow-factor, they're doing precisely the job that's required of them.
MD
mdtauk
There are 3 basic rules to working with Gill Sans...
- Do not ever use Extra or Ultra Bold
- All Caps is great
- Avoid italics when possible
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Worzel
woah posted:
Here's a cap of what I meant earlier:

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Does anyone else think that the arrangement of the graphics on the far wall of the Barcos looks really horrible and amateur? Having two images separated by a white line, and a plain white strip of text at the bottom. I think they should go for a single image/graphic that takes up half of the screen length on the Barcos. It's the same on the News Channel and on Breakfast, when a picture is displayed on the Barcos, and the edges cut off to display the rest of the backdrop. I prefer something à la Newsnight, where one image takes the whole length of the Barco, or where the edges of the image are faded.

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Plus, I'm getting bored of the bland Gill Sans graphics used during reports. When quoting someone, or presenting statistics, I just wish they'd use another font to make items stand out more. Seeing Gill Sans is awfully dull.


When the News channel first moved into N6, they used to have small boxes for the interviews etc (when the presenter was talking to the wall). This was revised at some stage so the guests head takes up the whole screen. I and many others liked the box, but it was down to Lambie Nairn apparently.
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Worzel

Too often, when I hear calls for better design and more snazzy graphics and what-not, I fear that people forget that the whole point of the simplicity of the current BBC News design package is to ensure that the graphics do not distract one's attention from the actual news story. When the design becomes so eye-catching that it becomes distracting - I'm looking at you, Sky News - then the design is not fit for the purpose of improving one's understanding of the story without drawing one's attention away from it.

In my opinion, while the BBC News graphics aren't pushing the envelope in terms of pizazz and wow-factor, they're doing precisely the job that's required of them.


Well its personal choice really, Sky News' current graphics set maybe flashy, but it doesn't distract you from viewing the news. Yes, the ticker goes yellow now and again to draw your attention to Breaking News - thats the only really distracting part. Sky News have some wipes when going to a Live OB and into the Ads but their not overtly distracting at all. Its because they are more animated on how that appear and disappear off screen.

Sky News Astons wipe from the right to left, BBC News go from right to left. The simplicity of the BBC News graphics package is good, but far too basic. The BBC has access to VizRT and it seems a bit of a waste sometimes when the previous but one set of graphics (which was used from 2003-2007) was made using their inhouse system and was far more superior, to the current Gill Sans set.

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