DO
PLEASE STOP WITH COMPLAINING ABOUT THE BACKGROUND!!!
Next time something important happens with the background in any of the BBC News studios, PLEASE keep it to yourself. WE DO NOT WANT TO KNOW!
I know this is a presentation forum, and you're not wittering on about presenters and what they had for breakfast (and for that you should be commended), but it's also a discussion forum, not a place to continually point out someone made a small mistake. I kind of wish someone at BBC News would invite you to come down and fix their screens and operate them for a day. Maybe you'd actually realise how much work is involved with a rolling news channel, and how insignificant your complaints are.
I leave you with a challenge: find an actual argument about why your posts about the screens are completely valid and how they benefit you, me and everyone else who reads this forum. Either that or shut up about them.
Rant over... stressful night at work... that feels better
Worzel posted:
I love the way that tonight's news summary started off with the daytime backdrop and switched to the night time back drop halfway through the bulletin!
PLEASE STOP WITH COMPLAINING ABOUT THE BACKGROUND!!!
Next time something important happens with the background in any of the BBC News studios, PLEASE keep it to yourself. WE DO NOT WANT TO KNOW!
I know this is a presentation forum, and you're not wittering on about presenters and what they had for breakfast (and for that you should be commended), but it's also a discussion forum, not a place to continually point out someone made a small mistake. I kind of wish someone at BBC News would invite you to come down and fix their screens and operate them for a day. Maybe you'd actually realise how much work is involved with a rolling news channel, and how insignificant your complaints are.
I leave you with a challenge: find an actual argument about why your posts about the screens are completely valid and how they benefit you, me and everyone else who reads this forum. Either that or shut up about them.
Rant over... stressful night at work... that feels better
SP
At the risk of being shouted at, the background changing during a bulletin is pretty noteworthy as they usually do it during a pre-rec programme or a long weather bulletin as it has a habit of not being a clean switchover.
IO
Apologies if this is obvious or has been answered elsewhere (or is just incredibly dull), but I've wondered this for a while.
What exactly happens on weekdays at 9:30pm? This is where the News Channel comes from the World set and gallery, to allow N6 to prepare for the Ten. As a basis for this hypothesising, my understanding is that World has a separate news gallery and channel playout, but that the NC doesn't, and that the output of one gallery or another is committed to air (except with the option of adding a DOG/Clock on top further down the chain?). I suppose that's guess number 1, which might be wrong.
At 21:27:00, NC plays a (pre-recorded?) three minute weather forecast. I get this - need to hit 21:30:00 bang on for the simulcast. Presumably this is played out by N6 gallery?
Then, at 21:30:00 we're from the World set and presumably the N8 gallery - for the first minute it's a simulcast as we summarise the World headlines. At 21:31:00, World opt out - their channel pres playout can opt out and play and ident / programme separately. Throughout all this, I assume the NC is from the N8 gallery and the N6 gallery is 'offline' for Ten rehearsals.
Then, at 21:56:00 precisely, the weather is played out on the NC, taking us up to 21:59:00, when we join the 90 second countdown (which had been playing out since 21:58:30) to take us up to the Ten. (Incidentally, I'm sure these timings used to be 21:55:50 and 21:58:50 for some reason, as we used to see the countdown before the numbers start.)
Why does the stuff upto 10pm need such precise timings? I understand the three minute weather so that World get a few minutes to set up for their 22:00 TOTH, but why the exact precision to get there? Is this to do with where the weather is played out from? I assumed that the 21:56:00 weather was played out by N8, and the 90 second weather was already being played out by the N6 gallery underneath from 21:58:30, so at the end of the weather the NC just cuts from N8 to N6? (This is just my guess.)
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Linked in to this is a question on the BAFTAs coverage on the News Channel that was commented here a couple of pages back. While N6 delivered a teatime news bulletin for BBC One at some point last weekend, the News Channel took a live BAFTAs red carpet programme, presumably produced by World and N8. At the end of this (:59 in the hour), the last frame of the closing titles paused on screen for about 10 seconds, and then cut to the filler version of the countdown, as commented in this thread. The TOTH was then taken from World - complete with 'BBC World News' titles, as there was no N6 available to substitute 'BBC News' titles, presumably. (BBC One bulletin on air through all this.) But then where did the filler come from? Does the NC have a separate bit of playout that can add things like this?
What exactly happens on weekdays at 9:30pm? This is where the News Channel comes from the World set and gallery, to allow N6 to prepare for the Ten. As a basis for this hypothesising, my understanding is that World has a separate news gallery and channel playout, but that the NC doesn't, and that the output of one gallery or another is committed to air (except with the option of adding a DOG/Clock on top further down the chain?). I suppose that's guess number 1, which might be wrong.
At 21:27:00, NC plays a (pre-recorded?) three minute weather forecast. I get this - need to hit 21:30:00 bang on for the simulcast. Presumably this is played out by N6 gallery?
Then, at 21:30:00 we're from the World set and presumably the N8 gallery - for the first minute it's a simulcast as we summarise the World headlines. At 21:31:00, World opt out - their channel pres playout can opt out and play and ident / programme separately. Throughout all this, I assume the NC is from the N8 gallery and the N6 gallery is 'offline' for Ten rehearsals.
Then, at 21:56:00 precisely, the weather is played out on the NC, taking us up to 21:59:00, when we join the 90 second countdown (which had been playing out since 21:58:30) to take us up to the Ten. (Incidentally, I'm sure these timings used to be 21:55:50 and 21:58:50 for some reason, as we used to see the countdown before the numbers start.)
Why does the stuff upto 10pm need such precise timings? I understand the three minute weather so that World get a few minutes to set up for their 22:00 TOTH, but why the exact precision to get there? Is this to do with where the weather is played out from? I assumed that the 21:56:00 weather was played out by N8, and the 90 second weather was already being played out by the N6 gallery underneath from 21:58:30, so at the end of the weather the NC just cuts from N8 to N6? (This is just my guess.)
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Linked in to this is a question on the BAFTAs coverage on the News Channel that was commented here a couple of pages back. While N6 delivered a teatime news bulletin for BBC One at some point last weekend, the News Channel took a live BAFTAs red carpet programme, presumably produced by World and N8. At the end of this (:59 in the hour), the last frame of the closing titles paused on screen for about 10 seconds, and then cut to the filler version of the countdown, as commented in this thread. The TOTH was then taken from World - complete with 'BBC World News' titles, as there was no N6 available to substitute 'BBC News' titles, presumably. (BBC One bulletin on air through all this.) But then where did the filler come from? Does the NC have a separate bit of playout that can add things like this?
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itsrobert
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These are just my guesses:
1) The BOTH needs to be precisely timed for World. Lots of opt ins and outs take place on World for regional adverts and programming so I guess to co-ordinate all the joins properly, they need to be quite precise about timings.
2) Couldn't N8 have just played out the filler countdown after the BAFTAs programme? The BBC World countdown is not played out from N8, so they could theoretically have played out the filler countdown for the NC before World opted in for the bulletin at the TOTH?
1) The BOTH needs to be precisely timed for World. Lots of opt ins and outs take place on World for regional adverts and programming so I guess to co-ordinate all the joins properly, they need to be quite precise about timings.
2) Couldn't N8 have just played out the filler countdown after the BAFTAs programme? The BBC World countdown is not played out from N8, so they could theoretically have played out the filler countdown for the NC before World opted in for the bulletin at the TOTH?
DO
Had it not been a clean changover (like the examples previously posted) it would be noteworthy, but the screens change daily, that it happened during a bulletin is not noteworthy by itself.
If he had a video capture of it changing, then that might be worthwhile, but you have to agree he does go on and on and on and on about the background, just so he can dig at the people behind the scenes.
Steve in Pudsey posted:
At the risk of being shouted at, the background changing during a bulletin is pretty noteworthy as they usually do it during a pre-rec programme or a long weather bulletin as it has a habit of not being a clean switchover.
Had it not been a clean changover (like the examples previously posted) it would be noteworthy, but the screens change daily, that it happened during a bulletin is not noteworthy by itself.
If he had a video capture of it changing, then that might be worthwhile, but you have to agree he does go on and on and on and on about the background, just so he can dig at the people behind the scenes.
DO
I would imagine this is the case - the hold on the end of the titles would be to allow World to opt out of the N8 output cleanly, before opting back in again. Same reason there's a pause on the beginning of bulletins from N6 which are simulcast on network - you don't want to cut the source up just as they fade or cut to another source.
itsrobert posted:
2) Couldn't N8 have just played out the filler countdown after the BAFTAs programme? The BBC World countdown is not played out from N8, so they could theoretically have played out the filler countdown for the NC before World opted in for the bulletin at the TOTH?
I would imagine this is the case - the hold on the end of the titles would be to allow World to opt out of the N8 output cleanly, before opting back in again. Same reason there's a pause on the beginning of bulletins from N6 which are simulcast on network - you don't want to cut the source up just as they fade or cut to another source.
SP
What exactly happens on weekdays at 9:30pm? This is where the News Channel comes from the World set and gallery, to allow N6 to prepare for the Ten. As a basis for this hypothesising, my understanding is that World has a separate news gallery and channel playout, but that the NC doesn't, and that the output of one gallery or another is committed to air (except with the option of adding a DOG/Clock on top further down the chain?). I suppose that's guess number 1, which might be wrong.
My understanding is that the N6 production mixer is fed into another mixer before it gets to transmission. N8 is selected on this mixer leaving the N6 production mixer available to rehearse the 10.
At the end of this (:59 in the hour), the last frame of the closing titles paused on screen for about 10 seconds, and then cut to the filler version of the countdown, as commented in this thread. The TOTH was then taken from World - complete with 'BBC World News' titles, as there was no N6 available to substitute 'BBC News' titles, presumably. (BBC One bulletin on air through all this.) But then where did the filler come from? Does the NC have a separate bit of playout that can add things like this?
Possibly taken via the second mixer, or apparently there is some mechanism to the set-up used for the 60 seconds updates on BBC Three.
Ian of old posted:
What exactly happens on weekdays at 9:30pm? This is where the News Channel comes from the World set and gallery, to allow N6 to prepare for the Ten. As a basis for this hypothesising, my understanding is that World has a separate news gallery and channel playout, but that the NC doesn't, and that the output of one gallery or another is committed to air (except with the option of adding a DOG/Clock on top further down the chain?). I suppose that's guess number 1, which might be wrong.
My understanding is that the N6 production mixer is fed into another mixer before it gets to transmission. N8 is selected on this mixer leaving the N6 production mixer available to rehearse the 10.
Ian of old posted:
At the end of this (:59 in the hour), the last frame of the closing titles paused on screen for about 10 seconds, and then cut to the filler version of the countdown, as commented in this thread. The TOTH was then taken from World - complete with 'BBC World News' titles, as there was no N6 available to substitute 'BBC News' titles, presumably. (BBC One bulletin on air through all this.) But then where did the filler come from? Does the NC have a separate bit of playout that can add things like this?
Possibly taken via the second mixer, or apparently there is some mechanism to the set-up used for the 60 seconds updates on BBC Three.