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Worzel
I am merely commenting on the amount of Gaffes that occur on the channel, compared to it's competitors and the fact that I don't like the BARCO screens when they are out of sync thats all.

I comment on the Sky News thread when things go wrong there as well... so it isn't all one sided - it's just the BBC News channel seem to experience an overwhelming amount more hick ups than that of Sky News or any other newscaster for that matter.

At least I don't go on here criticizing the presenters like some on here do.

You'd like to hear some positive aspects about the channel - well I have quite a few, the double headed presentation is far better than Sky news' single headed presentation. The reports are often more thorough on the News channel than that of Sky News and more importantly, the presenters can have a laugh with one another - whereas Sky News, any slight conversation between the newsreader and guest gets cut short.
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Spencer
Worzel posted:
the fact that I don't like the BARCO screens when they are out of sync thats all.


Don't you? Shocked
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Dunedin
imnogoth posted:
Getting back to the BBC News Channel - have many of you stopped to consider that perhaps it's incredibly hard and stressful working behind the scenes on a news channel? That perhaps on days where there are multiple c*ck ups they could be understaffed or stretched? Considering its a service that (basically) goes on 24/7 it would be very unlikely for problems not to arise - especially during breaking news!


The problem is that there is now a great deal of suspicion that this is the culture of News Channel staff.

I can't stand this feeling sorry for yourself, hard-done by attitude. Yes there's cuts in budgets. Yes there is probably more demands on staff. But that doesn't excuse illiteracy (as demonstrated by many of the straps that appear on the channel these days) or frankly technical incompetence.

As I've said before- the culture has to be that mistakes are a rare surprise, rather than a dependable hourly feature.

Also as I've said before- they're making pretty pitiful usage of a completely versatile studio- rarely involving the backdrop in the story, rarely varying camera angles or presentation shots. However, if despite this stripped down approach they can't deliver fault-free broadcasts (most of the time), they need to strip it down further. Get rid of the graphics between headlines, stop bringing up textual headlines, limit to say to two regular camera shots etc.

Prove that you can deliver fault-free broadcasting stripped down and then introduce the levels of technicality that the News Channel is currently attempting and repeatedly failing to achieve. The sad fact is that even what they're aiming for currently is pretty dull and uninspired on a technical and aesthetic level.
BB
BBC LDN
Dunedin posted:
imnogoth posted:
Getting back to the BBC News Channel - have many of you stopped to consider that perhaps it's incredibly hard and stressful working behind the scenes on a news channel? That perhaps on days where there are multiple c*ck ups they could be understaffed or stretched? Considering its a service that (basically) goes on 24/7 it would be very unlikely for problems not to arise - especially during breaking news!


The problem is that there is now a great deal of suspicion that this is the culture of News Channel staff.

I can't stand this feeling sorry for yourself, hard-done by attitude. Yes there's cuts in budgets. Yes there is probably more demands on staff. But that doesn't excuse illiteracy (as demonstrated by many of the straps that appear on the channel these days) or frankly technical incompetence.

As I've said before- the culture has to be that mistakes are a rare surprise, rather than a dependable hourly feature.

Also as I've said before- they're making pretty pitiful usage of a completely versatile studio- rarely involving the backdrop in the story, rarely varying camera angles or presentation shots. However, if despite this stripped down approach they can't deliver fault-free broadcasts (most of the time), they need to strip it down further. Get rid of the graphics between headlines, stop bringing up textual headlines, limit to say to two regular camera shots etc.

Prove that you can deliver fault-free broadcasting stripped down and then introduce the levels of technicality that the News Channel is currently attempting and repeatedly failing to achieve. The sad fact is that even what they're aiming for currently is pretty dull and uninspired on a technical and aesthetic level.


*applause*

I couldn't have put it better myself.
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Stitch08
Dunedin posted:
imnogoth posted:
Getting back to the BBC News Channel - have many of you stopped to consider that perhaps it's incredibly hard and stressful working behind the scenes on a news channel? That perhaps on days where there are multiple c*ck ups they could be understaffed or stretched? Considering its a service that (basically) goes on 24/7 it would be very unlikely for problems not to arise - especially during breaking news!


The problem is that there is now a great deal of suspicion that this is the culture of News Channel staff.

I can't stand this feeling sorry for yourself, hard-done by attitude. Yes there's cuts in budgets. Yes there is probably more demands on staff. But that doesn't excuse illiteracy (as demonstrated by many of the straps that appear on the channel these days) or frankly technical incompetence.

As I've said before- the culture has to be that mistakes are a rare surprise, rather than a dependable hourly feature.

Also as I've said before- they're making pretty pitiful usage of a completely versatile studio- rarely involving the backdrop in the story, rarely varying camera angles or presentation shots. However, if despite this stripped down approach they can't deliver fault-free broadcasts (most of the time), they need to strip it down further. Get rid of the graphics between headlines, stop bringing up textual headlines, limit to say to two regular camera shots etc.

Prove that you can deliver fault-free broadcasting stripped down and then introduce the levels of technicality that the News Channel is currently attempting and repeatedly failing to achieve. The sad fact is that even what they're aiming for currently is pretty dull and uninspired on a technical and aesthetic level.


Well I disagree that there is any need to strip down - I watch BBC News a lot and I find mistakes are indeed rare, and no worse than any other channel - it just seems to be Worzel that seems to find it unbearable (does anyone else find it odd that he seems to watch BBC News such a lot if there really are so many terrible mistakes?)

I'll agree with you that they don't tend to vary shots a lot, but I'm not massivley bothered, as I prefer substance over style.
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Worzel
Dunedin posted:
imnogoth posted:
Getting back to the BBC News Channel - have many of you stopped to consider that perhaps it's incredibly hard and stressful working behind the scenes on a news channel? That perhaps on days where there are multiple c*ck ups they could be understaffed or stretched? Considering its a service that (basically) goes on 24/7 it would be very unlikely for problems not to arise - especially during breaking news!


The problem is that there is now a great deal of suspicion that this is the culture of News Channel staff.

I can't stand this feeling sorry for yourself, hard-done by attitude. Yes there's cuts in budgets. Yes there is probably more demands on staff. But that doesn't excuse illiteracy (as demonstrated by many of the straps that appear on the channel these days) or frankly technical incompetence.

As I've said before- the culture has to be that mistakes are a rare surprise, rather than a dependable hourly feature.

Also as I've said before- they're making pretty pitiful usage of a completely versatile studio- rarely involving the backdrop in the story, rarely varying camera angles or presentation shots. However, if despite this stripped down approach they can't deliver fault-free broadcasts (most of the time), they need to strip it down further. Get rid of the graphics between headlines, stop bringing up textual headlines, limit to say to two regular camera shots etc.

Prove that you can deliver fault-free broadcasting stripped down and then introduce the levels of technicality that the News Channel is currently attempting and repeatedly failing to achieve. The sad fact is that even what they're aiming for currently is pretty dull and uninspired on a technical and aesthetic level.


Applause as well - brilliantly put. I hope that the News channel management take heed of what you said.

And I feel sorry for the presenters that are made to look like scape goats when things go wrong.
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Worzel
Stitch08 posted:
Dunedin posted:
imnogoth posted:
Getting back to the BBC News Channel - have many of you stopped to consider that perhaps it's incredibly hard and stressful working behind the scenes on a news channel? That perhaps on days where there are multiple c*ck ups they could be understaffed or stretched? Considering its a service that (basically) goes on 24/7 it would be very unlikely for problems not to arise - especially during breaking news!


The problem is that there is now a great deal of suspicion that this is the culture of News Channel staff.

I can't stand this feeling sorry for yourself, hard-done by attitude. Yes there's cuts in budgets. Yes there is probably more demands on staff. But that doesn't excuse illiteracy (as demonstrated by many of the straps that appear on the channel these days) or frankly technical incompetence.

As I've said before- the culture has to be that mistakes are a rare surprise, rather than a dependable hourly feature.

Also as I've said before- they're making pretty pitiful usage of a completely versatile studio- rarely involving the backdrop in the story, rarely varying camera angles or presentation shots. However, if despite this stripped down approach they can't deliver fault-free broadcasts (most of the time), they need to strip it down further. Get rid of the graphics between headlines, stop bringing up textual headlines, limit to say to two regular camera shots etc.

Prove that you can deliver fault-free broadcasting stripped down and then introduce the levels of technicality that the News Channel is currently attempting and repeatedly failing to achieve. The sad fact is that even what they're aiming for currently is pretty dull and uninspired on a technical and aesthetic level.


Well I disagree that there is any need to strip down - I watch BBC News a lot and I find mistakes are indeed rare, and no worse than any other channel - it just seems to be Worzel that seems to find it unbearable (does anyone else find it odd that he seems to watch BBC News such a lot if there really are so many terrible mistakes?)

I'll agree with you that they don't tend to vary shots a lot, but I'm not massivley bothered, as I prefer substance over style.


I'm not saying i'm finding it unbearable at all. I'm just saying that they make an awful lot of sloppy mistakes that don't seem to 'riddle' other news channels other than BBC News.
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Davidjb Founding member
I think a lot of these 'errors' that are seen on screen are simply as a result of staffing levels being cut to as minimal as possible yet management expecting/demanding the same level of output to be produced as before the cuts. Or to put it another way 'money over quality'. Well thats my theory anyway (i could be wrong).
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its me
The strip at the top of the screens changed from white to red during the News at One today. Guessing its supposed to be set to red for the BBC One bulletins, often white for the News at One or weekend bulletins however.
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RDJ
Any reason why we're getting BBC World News right now?

EDIT: Scratch that the DOG just changed to the normal BBC News one with a nifty animation. (They must plan for that coming),
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nat210790
Who was the woman presenting the sport last night? Alison someone?
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Pete Founding member
nat210790 posted:
Who was the woman presenting the sport last night? Alison someone?


Yes it was Alison Use The Right Thread Please

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