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If you think that PM has theme music you haven't listened for about a decade!
(It was a great jingle, though)
Ha!, I normally come in on it at about 5:30, so you're right.
Anyway, I wonder why they dropped it ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/pm/history.shtml says "The last was dropped when Princess Diana died in 1997 during the period of mourning - and it never came back. No one, except the then controller, seemed to notice."
RealAudio clip
Given that I never listened to PM in 1996, it's strange that it sounds so familiar...
thegeek
Founding member
Markymark posted:
Londoner posted:
Markymark posted:
Radio 4's news programmes have no music (except for a jingle on 'PM'')
If you think that PM has theme music you haven't listened for about a decade!
(It was a great jingle, though)
Ha!, I normally come in on it at about 5:30, so you're right.
Anyway, I wonder why they dropped it ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/pm/history.shtml says "The last was dropped when Princess Diana died in 1997 during the period of mourning - and it never came back. No one, except the then controller, seemed to notice."
RealAudio clip
Given that I never listened to PM in 1996, it's strange that it sounds so familiar...
IS
If you think that PM has theme music you haven't listened for about a decade!
(It was a great jingle, though)
Ha!, I normally come in on it at about 5:30, so you're right.
Anyway, I wonder why they dropped it ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/pm/history.shtml says "The last was dropped when Princess Diana died in 1997 during the period of mourning - and it never came back. No one, except the then controller, seemed to notice."
RealAudio clip
Given that I never listened to PM in 1996, it's strange that it sounds so familiar...
How fantastic to hear that again! PM had a great theme and would be nice to hear an updated version of it used these days.
Isonstine
Founding member
thegeek posted:
Markymark posted:
Londoner posted:
Markymark posted:
Radio 4's news programmes have no music (except for a jingle on 'PM'')
If you think that PM has theme music you haven't listened for about a decade!
(It was a great jingle, though)
Ha!, I normally come in on it at about 5:30, so you're right.
Anyway, I wonder why they dropped it ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/pm/history.shtml says "The last was dropped when Princess Diana died in 1997 during the period of mourning - and it never came back. No one, except the then controller, seemed to notice."
RealAudio clip
Given that I never listened to PM in 1996, it's strange that it sounds so familiar...
How fantastic to hear that again! PM had a great theme and would be nice to hear an updated version of it used these days.
JA
She also lacks the ability to chat with the presenter and actually smile too.
The offender is Rachel Horne. Used to read the news on 60 Seconds and Radios 1 & 2 and more recently reporting on Working Lunch. I think she's probably just a bit nervous.
Worzel posted:
Davidjb posted:
Who is the Business presenter on the News Channel in the afternoons/evenings this week? She is truly awful at dealing with handovers to and from presenters.
She also lacks the ability to chat with the presenter and actually smile too.
The offender is Rachel Horne. Used to read the news on 60 Seconds and Radios 1 & 2 and more recently reporting on Working Lunch. I think she's probably just a bit nervous.
MQ
If that were what the majority of viewers wanted, I suspect somebody would have catered to that audience by presenting TV news in precisely that way. But since they haven't, your claim that most viewers would settle for a grey screen seems to be without substance.
You're mixing up 'want' and 'need'. By the same logic you would be saying that viewers actually WANT the end credits of programmes messed up with ECPs, and voiceovers ? 30 years ago TV news was delivered with just a plain background. I'm certainly not suggesting that we should return to Letraset and cardboard for graphics, but in the last 15-20 years the presentation of news has become far too skewed towards presentational gimmicks. I take it you're familiar with Chris Morris's satirical work in the early 1990s, which has more or less turned out to be a correct prediction ?
I'm not mixing up 'want' and 'need' at all - in fact, we don't 'need' TV news at all. It is, however, something very desirable to have. Everything in this context is a preference - a 'want'. Again, I simply make the point that we wouldn't have seen any of these presentational gimmicks were it not for the fact that broadcasters believed that the audience wanted them - it wouldn't be worth making the investment in those sorts of things if they didn't deliver a return in terms of viewership. Similarly, if broadcasters believed that audiences wanted news to be presented without music, titles, graphics or a set other than a grey screen, then that is exactly what they would have delivered.
Markymark posted:
Mr Q posted:
Markymark posted:
No, what you'll find is most viewers, those with a reasonable attention span, and normal full, active, and busy lives, are perfectly capable of absorbing information without the need for visual and aural distractions and embellishments.
If that were what the majority of viewers wanted, I suspect somebody would have catered to that audience by presenting TV news in precisely that way. But since they haven't, your claim that most viewers would settle for a grey screen seems to be without substance.
You're mixing up 'want' and 'need'. By the same logic you would be saying that viewers actually WANT the end credits of programmes messed up with ECPs, and voiceovers ? 30 years ago TV news was delivered with just a plain background. I'm certainly not suggesting that we should return to Letraset and cardboard for graphics, but in the last 15-20 years the presentation of news has become far too skewed towards presentational gimmicks. I take it you're familiar with Chris Morris's satirical work in the early 1990s, which has more or less turned out to be a correct prediction ?
I'm not mixing up 'want' and 'need' at all - in fact, we don't 'need' TV news at all. It is, however, something very desirable to have. Everything in this context is a preference - a 'want'. Again, I simply make the point that we wouldn't have seen any of these presentational gimmicks were it not for the fact that broadcasters believed that the audience wanted them - it wouldn't be worth making the investment in those sorts of things if they didn't deliver a return in terms of viewership. Similarly, if broadcasters believed that audiences wanted news to be presented without music, titles, graphics or a set other than a grey screen, then that is exactly what they would have delivered.
DD
Cannot believe that its almost a year.
I think that all of it is so stale already, especially after seeing the titles and set for things like BBC Persian. Why didn't we get something like that?
Oh, and I miss the little walk forwards that the sport presenters used to do just after the relaunch. Now they just stand there.
I think that all of it is so stale already, especially after seeing the titles and set for things like BBC Persian. Why didn't we get something like that?
Oh, and I miss the little walk forwards that the sport presenters used to do just after the relaunch. Now they just stand there.
HO
She also lacks the ability to chat with the presenter and actually smile too.
The offender is Rachel Horne. Used to read the news on 60 Seconds and Radios 1 & 2 and more recently reporting on Working Lunch. I think she's probably just a bit nervous.
Formerly of Newsround, along with sports presenter Laura Jones, Entertainment reporter Lizo Mazimba and 8pm/ relief presenter Ellie Crisell - you'd think they're taking over suddenly!
Rachel really isn't that great on business, compared with Marium, Babita and Aaron Hestlehurst. Bad choice imo if she's permanent. Still, I'm willing to wait and give her time.
dragonhhjh posted:
Worzel posted:
Davidjb posted:
Who is the Business presenter on the News Channel in the afternoons/evenings this week? She is truly awful at dealing with handovers to and from presenters.
She also lacks the ability to chat with the presenter and actually smile too.
The offender is Rachel Horne. Used to read the news on 60 Seconds and Radios 1 & 2 and more recently reporting on Working Lunch. I think she's probably just a bit nervous.
Rachel really isn't that great on business, compared with Marium, Babita and Aaron Hestlehurst. Bad choice imo if she's permanent. Still, I'm willing to wait and give her time.
NA
She also lacks the ability to chat with the presenter and actually smile too.
The offender is Rachel Horne. Used to read the news on 60 Seconds and Radios 1 & 2 and more recently reporting on Working Lunch. I think she's probably just a bit nervous.
Formerly of Newsround, along with sports presenter Laura Jones, Entertainment reporter Lizo Mazimba and 8pm/ relief presenter Ellie Crisell - you'd think they're taking over suddenly!
Rachel really isn't that great on business, compared with Marium, Babita and Aaron Hestlehurst. Bad choice imo if she's permanent. Still, I'm willing to wait and give her time.
I hope she's not permanent. As you say there are a number of other good business presenters - Maryam, Sally Eden, Babita, Aaron and Sara Coburn (even if she rarely appears on the NC anymore)
imnogoth posted:
dragonhhjh posted:
Worzel posted:
Davidjb posted:
Who is the Business presenter on the News Channel in the afternoons/evenings this week? She is truly awful at dealing with handovers to and from presenters.
She also lacks the ability to chat with the presenter and actually smile too.
The offender is Rachel Horne. Used to read the news on 60 Seconds and Radios 1 & 2 and more recently reporting on Working Lunch. I think she's probably just a bit nervous.
Rachel really isn't that great on business, compared with Marium, Babita and Aaron Hestlehurst. Bad choice imo if she's permanent. Still, I'm willing to wait and give her time.
I hope she's not permanent. As you say there are a number of other good business presenters - Maryam, Sally Eden, Babita, Aaron and Sara Coburn (even if she rarely appears on the NC anymore)