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I've just seen that segment on Newswatch. Haven't these people got better things to do than write in to the BBC complaining about a piece of music that is heard for about 4 minutes per hour? Music beds have been used on British news broadcasts for around 20 years now, and around half of that time on the BBC has been David Lowe's drum beat. Haven't they got used to it yet? It's not as if the current version is particularly distracting; in fact I think it's the most unobtrusive bed used since the original 1999 one. Let's not forget - the Six used a Roman march type bed during the 1990s!
itsrobert
Founding member
Londoner posted:
Apparently the bass has been reduced in the News Channel headline bed - according to head of presentation Mike Kavanagh on Newswatch.
I've just seen that segment on Newswatch. Haven't these people got better things to do than write in to the BBC complaining about a piece of music that is heard for about 4 minutes per hour? Music beds have been used on British news broadcasts for around 20 years now, and around half of that time on the BBC has been David Lowe's drum beat. Haven't they got used to it yet? It's not as if the current version is particularly distracting; in fact I think it's the most unobtrusive bed used since the original 1999 one. Let's not forget - the Six used a Roman march type bed during the 1990s!
SA
Oddbox this week - funny little clip of Huw Edwards and guests in Washington revealing their blankets keeping them warm during the Obama inauguration.
MA
I've just seen that segment on Newswatch. Haven't these people got better things to do than write in to the BBC complaining about a piece of music that is heard for about 4 minutes per hour? Music beds have been used on British news broadcasts for around 20 years now,
Yes, and they do nothing but trivialise the actual content of the news that they are played over. It's OK is it to report dearth, destruction, and tragedy over a disco beat is it ? I found Mike Kavanagh's comments, arrogant to the extreme.
Of course the usual line, 'in this multichannel enviroment' was trotted out as a lame excuse for having music at all.
Haven't they got used to it yet?
With respect that's also an arrogant statement, I know many 'non media types' who genuinely find music beds irritating, myself included, and have done for years and years.
itsrobert posted:
I've just seen that segment on Newswatch. Haven't these people got better things to do than write in to the BBC complaining about a piece of music that is heard for about 4 minutes per hour? Music beds have been used on British news broadcasts for around 20 years now,
Yes, and they do nothing but trivialise the actual content of the news that they are played over. It's OK is it to report dearth, destruction, and tragedy over a disco beat is it ? I found Mike Kavanagh's comments, arrogant to the extreme.
Of course the usual line, 'in this multichannel enviroment' was trotted out as a lame excuse for having music at all.
itsrobert posted:
Haven't they got used to it yet?
With respect that's also an arrogant statement, I know many 'non media types' who genuinely find music beds irritating, myself included, and have done for years and years.
MA
That's how many describe it.
It doesn't matter whether it's Disco, Dance, Country and Western, Jazz Funk, or Classical, at best it's not needed, at worst it's simply crass.
It's fine for the Top 40 countdown, but not for serious news.
the eye posted:
Disco? Pfft, whatever, maybe you should focus more on what you're complaining about next time Mark?
That's how many describe it.
It doesn't matter whether it's Disco, Dance, Country and Western, Jazz Funk, or Classical, at best it's not needed, at worst it's simply crass.
It's fine for the Top 40 countdown, but not for serious news.
WO
I've just seen that segment on Newswatch. Haven't these people got better things to do than write in to the BBC complaining about a piece of music that is heard for about 4 minutes per hour? Music beds have been used on British news broadcasts for around 20 years now,
Yes, and they do nothing but trivialise the actual content of the news that they are played over. It's OK is it to report dearth, destruction, and tragedy over a disco beat is it ? I found Mike Kavanagh's comments, arrogant to the extreme.
Of course the usual line, 'in this multichannel enviroment' was trotted out as a lame excuse for having music at all.
Haven't they got used to it yet?
With respect that's also an arrogant statement, I know many 'non media types' who genuinely find music beds irritating, myself included, and have done for years and years.
I'd like to see them fixing those mismatched video screens more than a bit of drumming.
Markymark posted:
itsrobert posted:
I've just seen that segment on Newswatch. Haven't these people got better things to do than write in to the BBC complaining about a piece of music that is heard for about 4 minutes per hour? Music beds have been used on British news broadcasts for around 20 years now,
Yes, and they do nothing but trivialise the actual content of the news that they are played over. It's OK is it to report dearth, destruction, and tragedy over a disco beat is it ? I found Mike Kavanagh's comments, arrogant to the extreme.
Of course the usual line, 'in this multichannel enviroment' was trotted out as a lame excuse for having music at all.
itsrobert posted:
Haven't they got used to it yet?
With respect that's also an arrogant statement, I know many 'non media types' who genuinely find music beds irritating, myself included, and have done for years and years.
I'd like to see them fixing those mismatched video screens more than a bit of drumming.
LO
I agree the excuse about multichannel environment was lame.
It would make more sense to talk about the function of the music bed in terms of the grammar and structure of the bulletin/channel.
If you hear the bed you know you are hearing the headlines as opposed to the normal flow of news stories.
It would make more sense to talk about the function of the music bed in terms of the grammar and structure of the bulletin/channel.
If you hear the bed you know you are hearing the headlines as opposed to the normal flow of news stories.
MA
You need nothing more than a short sharp signature tune, or even as Radio 4 use nothing more hi-tech or clever than the Greenwich Time Signal, which of course is built to that (IMHO awful) BBC News tune.
Londoner posted:
I agree the excuse about multichannel environment was lame.
It would make more sense to talk about the function of the music bed in terms of the grammar and structure of the bulletin/channel.
If you hear the bed you know you are hearing the headlines as opposed to the normal flow of news stories.
It would make more sense to talk about the function of the music bed in terms of the grammar and structure of the bulletin/channel.
If you hear the bed you know you are hearing the headlines as opposed to the normal flow of news stories.
You need nothing more than a short sharp signature tune, or even as Radio 4 use nothing more hi-tech or clever than the Greenwich Time Signal, which of course is built to that (IMHO awful) BBC News tune.
DA
Davidjb
Founding member
I can see both sides of the music argument. Sometimes the beds do seem to play out louder than other times but i guess this ultimately depends on who is controlling the playout and how much experience they have and if they are actually paying full attention to what they are doing, But, news channels with no music at all to accompany them would be dull dull dull. Audio presentation plays a big part in making any programme/channel stand out. Some people will simply watch if they like the music. I personally think the current BBC News headline bed is the most unobtrusive one yet compared to what we used to have. Always remember the 9 O'Clock News bed was very loud. Like the guy himself admitted, people do have news channels on for background noise so when something like the headlines are being read, the music is also a signal to pay attention.
MA
Where does this notion come from that music can make the news more exciting ?
Dull news is dull for two main reasons:-
1: It's simply a dull story
2: The quality of journalism and the script writing is poor.
Consistantly dull news equals a dull news channel or programme.
Radio 4's news programmes have no music (except for a jingle on 'PM'')
Are you telling me they're dull ?
News stories can be, and often are compelling. Some presenters/reporters past and present were/are good at making a story interesting. Alistair Cooke, Micheal Brunson, John Simpson, Andrew Marr
Davidjb posted:
I can see both sides of the music argument. Sometimes the beds do seem to play out louder than other times but i guess this ultimately depends on who is controlling the playout and how much experience they have and if they are actually paying full attention to what they are doing, But, news channels with no music at all to accompany them would be dull dull dull. .
Where does this notion come from that music can make the news more exciting ?
Dull news is dull for two main reasons:-
1: It's simply a dull story
2: The quality of journalism and the script writing is poor.
Consistantly dull news equals a dull news channel or programme.
Radio 4's news programmes have no music (except for a jingle on 'PM'')
Are you telling me they're dull ?
News stories can be, and often are compelling. Some presenters/reporters past and present were/are good at making a story interesting. Alistair Cooke, Micheal Brunson, John Simpson, Andrew Marr