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snarfu
Because Sky have money to throw around. Commercial broadcasters can afford to do this. Remember Sky moved into a competely new facility a couple of years ago and could start with a clean sheet.

The BBC is using upgraded facilities and some of them were originally provisioned 10+ years old. They are not going to spend too much money, as if things had gone to plan they would have been in Broadcasting House by now. Although this won't happen now for four years. They have had to integrate new technologies such as the video walls into its existing systems.

Before Sky moved into their new facility there were numerous problems with worn out kit, etc.
IT
itsrobert Founding member
Rolling news channels are always going to have more cock-ups. If you've ever been in a gallery during a live transmission, you'll know that there are 101 things going on at the same time. Sometimes mistakes happen - after all, you can have as many computers as you want but the operators are only human. The gallery of a main news bulletin (be it BBC or ITN) is bad enough but the gallery of a news channel is 10 times worse. Ordinary bulletins have time to prepare, rehearse, doube-check and pay attention to detail. News channels are on air permanently so there's no time for any of that - it's TV as raw as it gets.
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steveboswell
itsrobert posted:
it's TV as raw as it gets


A potential new slogan for the news channel, there? Laughing

Bozz
IT
itsrobert Founding member
steveboswell posted:
itsrobert posted:
it's TV as raw as it gets


A potential new slogan for the news channel, there? Laughing

Bozz


Lol, good one! And I didn't need a s-w-a-n-k-y board room, bottles of water and thousands of pounds to come up with it!
JO
Joe
snarfu posted:
Just a few points

The cameras are mostly the original camera systems from before the relaunch.

The projection screens does not have a 'gash' in it. It is just at some camera angles you can notice the joins between the screen panels and the light from the projector is shining through. The projectors and screen panels are also the same from before the relaunch. They just have different images fed to them.

It is also very difficult to colour match all the screens as the camera is viewing them from different angles and the cameras moves as well. Colour matching always depending on what you feed them. Brighter backgrounds and images will look worse than darker ones. Look at the wall that Newsnight use compared to Newsround use and they are in the same studio!

We know all this.
DO
don1977
itsrobert posted:
Rolling news channels are always going to have more cock-ups. If you've ever been in a gallery during a live transmission, you'll know that there are 101 things going on at the same time. Sometimes mistakes happen - after all, you can have as many computers as you want but the operators are only human. The gallery of a main news bulletin (be it BBC or ITN) is bad enough but the gallery of a news channel is 10 times worse. Ordinary bulletins have time to prepare, rehearse, doube-check and pay attention to detail. News channels are on air permanently so there's no time for any of that - it's TV as raw as it gets.


Does anyone know of/have any links to behind the scene videos of a gallery in action? I remember the famous "invasion of the lesbians" clip had the sound from the gallery which was a bit of an insight to how manic it can be.
BA
bilky asko
Jugalug posted:
snarfu posted:
Just a few points

The cameras are mostly the original camera systems from before the relaunch.

The projection screens does not have a 'gash' in it. It is just at some camera angles you can notice the joins between the screen panels and the light from the projector is shining through. The projectors and screen panels are also the same from before the relaunch. They just have different images fed to them.

It is also very difficult to colour match all the screens as the camera is viewing them from different angles and the cameras moves as well. Colour matching always depending on what you feed them. Brighter backgrounds and images will look worse than darker ones. Look at the wall that Newsnight use compared to Newsround use and they are in the same studio!

We know all this.


He show that no gash, just gap. No bad by BBC, OK? Be happy for hard job.
JO
Joe
I'm confused by the last post.
ID
Inflatable Dartboard
Jugalug posted:
I'm confused by the last post.


Me too. Looks like "Chinglish"/"Engrish" or something. "Me love you long time" Laughing
SN
SN2005
snarfu posted:
Because Sky have money to throw around.


But not as much money as the NC, whose budget outstripped that of sky's by around £10m a year prior to the integration and multimedia newsroom jazz. Post this I would imagine that theoretically at least the assets at the disposal of the news channel has increased dramatically - as the change in name (although largely superficial gloss) would appear to indicate.

snarfu posted:
Commercial broadcasters can afford to do this.


No they can't. You only have to look at Sky to see the play that they are making for business news especially with the intent of attracting the crucial AB category to breath some life into dwindling advertising revenue. It's the reason that CNBC in the US has been able to survive as long as it has done, despite ratings that barely even register.

Yes, before Sky moved to the new SNC there were problems, although my understanding does suggest that the Beeb are not running on a system in their gallery that can only handle four inputs.
JR
jrothwell97
Another cock-up at the 9pm junction. The Doctor Who trailer started, and then partway through it froze and then mixed to the countdown. Can they not do basic subtraction in the gallery?
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itsrobert Founding member
jrothwell97 posted:
Another cock-up at the 9pm junction. The Doctor Who trailer started, and then partway through it froze and then mixed to the countdown. Can they not do basic subtraction in the gallery?


I didn't see the event you describe, but couldn't it have just been a case of the trailer crashing rather than human intervention?

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