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GE
thegeek Founding member
Rkolsen posted:
m_in_m posted:
Bail posted:
I'm pretty sure they're aware of things like this, they annoy them just as much, but it's finding budget to replace these things thats more often the hold up. Screens like that aren't cheap and have lasted considerably well if you think they've been on permanently now for over 4 years solid.

Presumably they might also want them to be identical. I certainly do when giving desks dual screens.


I remember reading an article about on set displays (from a manufacturer) recommending that you buy an extra or two. The reasoning is that apparently panel quality varies by batch. Somehow even with professional calibration you still may not get them aligned. Of course that really matters for bezel less monitor walls and LED titles.

This is maybe more relevant for monitor stacks, but another reason for buying spares is that by the time you come to replace one, you'll be hard pressed to find one with the exact same dimensions...
NG
noggin Founding member
seamus posted:
dosxuk posted:
seamus posted:
Isn't the big screen in Studio C LED, but a bit blurry since it has a diffuser due to the poor dot pitches of c. 2012 displays? Things have gotten significantly better for LED broadcast displays, as seen on MSNBC:


Nothing to do with the age of the display, and entirely down to the budget available and what they wanted to do with it. There were very low pitch screens available in 2012, but if you're only going to use them at a distance, and for background imagery, often in soft focus, it was, and still is, a waste of money to go putting them in.


Not to veer too much off topic, but I am certain that low pitch screens have greatly reduced in price and feasibilty over the past 5 years. Bloomberg, Sky, and NBC (even WNBC) are using them now.


Yep - though they are still not hitting plasma pitch.

They're fine if you can still achieve a degree of separation - but even the finest pitch LED panels will have moire issues at some shot sizes unless you can throw focus enough to diffuse. If you are in a tight space and need to vary shot size significantly (particularly if you are using moving cameras and on-shot moves rather than cutting between static shots) then fine pitch LED is still not perfect, and still isn't a drop-in replacement for plasmas. The 85" and 103" plasmas were a fantastic solution - and there still isn't really a replacement that performs as well in some situations.

Don't get me wrong - fine pitch LED is great and a huge improvement over where we were previously. It's just not quite there as a drop-in for everywhere. (The other issue - historically - with LED was cooling and keeping large areas of LED screen quiet - but again I think this has improved hugely in recent years.)

The real issue is that consumer displays have gone down the LCD route ('LED' panels you see sold in the shops are still LCD), and LCDs are still far from great in many on-screen roles (The BBC Singapore bureau exposes some of the limitations ...)
RK
Rkolsen
noggin posted:
seamus posted:
dosxuk posted:

Nothing to do with the age of the display, and entirely down to the budget available and what they wanted to do with it. There were very low pitch screens available in 2012, but if you're only going to use them at a distance, and for background imagery, often in soft focus, it was, and still is, a waste of money to go putting them in.


Not to veer too much off topic, but I am certain that low pitch screens have greatly reduced in price and feasibilty over the past 5 years. Bloomberg, Sky, and NBC (even WNBC) are using them now.


Yep - though they are still not hitting plasma pitch.

They're fine if you can still achieve a degree of separation - but even the finest pitch LED panels will have moire issues at some shot sizes unless you can throw focus enough to diffuse. If you are in a tight space and need to vary shot size significantly (particularly if you are using moving cameras and on-shot moves rather than cutting between static shots) then fine pitch LED is still not perfect, and still isn't a drop-in replacement for plasmas. The 85" and 103" plasmas were a fantastic solution - and there still isn't really a replacement that performs as well in some situations.



It doesn't appear to be an issue an issue for either MSNBC studio or the main WNBC wall when there's a moving shot. However the LED wall at WNBC used for weather the moire and pixels are evident.
WH
Whitnall
If Atos have anything to do with it, the price will likely be three times normal.
CU
Custard56
Probably not the right place to post this but I've noticed an increasing number of BBC London reports have a "filmic" look to them. Does anyone know why this is?
BP
Bob Paisley
I vaguely recall people talking about a new font font for the BBC called 'Reith' (I can't remember if it was here or another media-based forum). Is this font going to be used on-screen for BBC News? Are we due a bigger relaunch any time soon?
RE
Rex
Bob Paisley posted:
I vaguely recall people talking about a new font font for the BBC called 'Reith' (I can't remember if it was here or another media-based forum). Is this font going to be used on-screen for BBC News? Are we due a bigger relaunch any time soon?

It was posted on TV Forum, yes - and it stands as the successor to Gill as the BBC's corporate font. I'd hope for all BBC outlets to adopt the font; as it saves money from using licenced fonts, and it returns the BBC to having a consistent brand.

Reith has been noted to be more accessible to mobile devices compared to the likes of Gill Sans and Helvetica.
Last edited by Rex on 31 May 2017 8:30pm
BK
bkman1990
Katty Kay is presenting a BBC News Special from Washington covering Donald Trump's expected decision on leaving the Paris agreement and the breaking news being reported from the Hotel resort in the Philippines.

In the studio with Katty Kay are Ron Christie from 100 Days+ & Nathan Hultman from the University of Maryland.

This bulletin is being shown on BBC NC & World.
MC
Mindi_Crayon
They finally managed it!
They successfully used the short titles with the panning over York Uni rather than the song titles with the awkward pan after them as they normally do for outside broadcasts.
Well done BBC!
WO
Worzel
Mindi_Crayon posted:
They finally managed it!
They successfully used the short titles with the panning over York Uni rather than the song titles with the awkward pan after them as they normally do for outside broadcasts.
Well done BBC!


They've done that before. I suspect it was Media Boy directing tonight as it only seems to happen when he's in the gallery. Wink

It's been said many times on here before, that is what they should do all the time for OB TOTH's, or run the BBC World News titles rather than the 'long' NC ones which have the awkward spinning-globe hold while the music catches up at the end.
FL
flaziola
Or running the usual BH titles, the wide pan of studio E goes towards the Catwalk where the OB anchor is on screen and the other anchor remains at the desk.
LX
lxflyer
Jane Hill presenting Dateline today despite Shaun Ley presenting the 10:00-14:00 shift.

Suggests that Jane is the new fulltime presenter rather than Shaun.

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