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Worzel
The only time the graphics animated properly were when Tom Symons' name was captioned in the studio.

The ones for the reports look off, like they're coming from a different template or are burnt on to the packages.

There's similar abnormalities when the ticker is generated from studio B and the text is off.

I wonder if they're doing some behind the scenes work to the Viz templates ready for Monday which is causing a few problems?
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SuperSajuuk
Moz posted:
They’re still doing that in this second report.


Perhaps the graphics generator wasn’t available when they put the packages together - probably at the same time it wasn’t working on the News Channel.

The live ones seem to be working.

Must be the ones they use for Newsnight.

They also seem similar to the ones used on a lot of non-NBH programming, so things like Asia Business Report and Day in Parliament, so probably the very generic versions with nothing fancy beyond fading in and out.
MO
Moz
I don't think graphics are burned in on the reports.


And yet they’re working on the lives.
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Worzel
Moz posted:
I don't think graphics are burned in on the reports.


And yet they’re working on the lives.


The fading astons look like they're burnt into the reports.

Maybe they thought the main graphics wouldn't be ready for the Ten so played it safe?

The fact that the graphics were seemingly unavailable for both C and E at the same time when, AIUI, they run from different Viz servers (and both studios/galleries are on different internal networks) makes me think they were doing some maintenance work or testing during a quiet time. Of course, I could be wrong!

Also, a lot of presentation coming from the catwalk/screens on the Ten tonight which was good.
Last edited by Worzel on 29 May 2019 10:30pm - 4 times in total
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Moz
dvboy posted:
Moz posted:
Just checked tonight’s Beyond 100 Days on IPlayer and that’s got graphics.

Are you sure you were watching today's? No lower thirds on the edition I just skipped through.


Watched on IPlayer on my iPhone - 29th May. Lower thirds there throughout.
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BBI45
Moz posted:
dvboy posted:
Moz posted:
Just checked tonight’s Beyond 100 Days on IPlayer and that’s got graphics.

Are you sure you were watching today's? No lower thirds on the edition I just skipped through.


Watched on IPlayer on my iPhone - 29th May. Lower thirds there throughout.

Don't know why they are on the recorded version on iPlayer, because they certainly weren't there when it went out live.


EDIT - As Moz has pointed out, yesterday's edition (with graphics) was given today's date. First part of my statement innacurate.
Last edited by BBI45 on 29 May 2019 11:00pm - 2 times in total
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Worzel
Moz posted:
dvboy posted:
Moz posted:
Just checked tonight’s Beyond 100 Days on IPlayer and that’s got graphics.

Are you sure you were watching today's? No lower thirds on the edition I just skipped through.


Watched on IPlayer on my iPhone - 29th May. Lower thirds there throughout.


Are you sure? The version on iPlayer is missing the lower thirds throughout the programme.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0005hhd/beyond-100-days-series-1-29052019

The show is uploaded straight from the ROT, complete with graphics usually, but they were missing in line with what was happening on World and NC at the time.
MO
Moz
Moz posted:
dvboy posted:
Are you sure you were watching today's? No lower thirds on the edition I just skipped through.


Watched on IPlayer on my iPhone - 29th May. Lower thirds there throughout.


Are you sure? The version on iPlayer is missing the lower thirds throughout the programme.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0005hhd/beyond-100-days-series-1-29052019

The show is uploaded straight from the ROT, complete with graphics usually, but they were missing in line with what was happening on World and NC at the time.


Weirdly, yesterday’s programme is labelled as being the 29th May too! Well on the iPhone app anyway! And that’s what played when I clicked on today’s programme.

Does seem that tonight’s (Katty in white) had no graphics.
RK
Rkolsen
Moz posted:
I don't think graphics are burned in on the reports.


And yet they’re working on the lives.


The fading astons look like they're burnt into the reports.

Maybe they thought the main graphics wouldn't be ready for the Ten so played it safe?

The fact that the graphics were seemingly unavailable for both C and E at the same time when, AIUI, they run from different Viz servers (and both studios/galleries are on different internal networks) makes me think they were doing some maintenance work or testing during a quiet time. Of course, I could be wrong!

Also, a lot of presentation coming from the catwalk/screens on the Ten tonight which was good.


Maybe I’m forgetting something but I believe deejay told me that there’s a pool of VizRT servers available for use in the main studios in NBH. I was told none are dedicated to any studio but are pooled as needed and controlled via BNCS (that correct acronym?).

World News America, which if I recall comes from studio c’s control room, appeared to be normal with the white aston’s animating from the bottom up (as normal). However the program has never been lower third/graphically heavy. There was a package on the medical situation with children in Caracas that I did see the burnt graphics complete with the red burnt in ticker with the bbc.co.uk/news strap.
Last edited by Rkolsen on 29 May 2019 11:05pm
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Worzel
Moz posted:

And yet they’re working on the lives.


The fading astons look like they're burnt into the reports.

Maybe they thought the main graphics wouldn't be ready for the Ten so played it safe?

The fact that the graphics were seemingly unavailable for both C and E at the same time when, AIUI, they run from different Viz servers (and both studios/galleries are on different internal networks) makes me think they were doing some maintenance work or testing during a quiet time. Of course, I could be wrong!

Also, a lot of presentation coming from the catwalk/screens on the Ten tonight which was good.


Maybe I’m forgetting something but I believe deejay told me that there’s a pool of VizRT servers available for use in the main studios in NBH. I was told none are dedicated to any studio but are pooled as needed and controlled via BNCS (that correct acronym?).

World News America, which if I recall comes from studio c’s control room, appeared to be normal with the white aston’s animating from the bottom up (as normal). However the program has never been lower third/graphically heavy. There was a package on the medical situation with children in Caracas that I did see the burnt graphics complete with the red burnt in ticker with the bbc.co.uk/news strap.


Could very well be.

Some of the packages that went out on the Ten are going out again now on the NC complete the burnt in fade in/out graphics.
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Steve in Pudsey
Back at TV Centre the graphics for the One, Six and Ten were done in a different way to the general News Channel output.

For the NC they were produced as part of the ticker downstream of the studio mixer. For the network bulletins they were added via the N6 mixer. This meant that BBC One could get a ticker-less feed of mixer output while the NC got a feed with the ticker added.

That could be why the Ten had graphics but other output didn't, although I don't think that applies at NBH in the same way.

The observation that a studio correspondent got a proper Aston suggests that the issue was not with Viz but the system that feeds the required data to it to build the Aston and cueing it to animate based on metadata for the package. OpenMedia could be the issue for example, or Mosart or something more obscure sitting between one or both of those and Viz.
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Moz

The observation that a studio correspondent got a proper Aston suggests that the issue was not with Viz but the system that feeds the required data to it to build the Aston and cueing it to animate based on metadata for the package. OpenMedia could be the issue for example, or Mosart or something more obscure sitting between one or both of those and Viz.


That was just during the Ten though. The news channel had no graphics at all for the preceding two hours.

As someone has suggested, they may have burned straps on the reports for the Ten “just in case”.

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