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MD
mdtauk
I appreciate that the BBC is a much larger organisation, but didn’t ITV manage to change to Reem almost overnight? I may be misremembering, but wasn’t the 2013 rebrand very efficient at updating everything at the same time? I’m sure there’s a technical explanation, but it seems very odd that it’s taken so long to start changing things over to Reith.

A new look for Victoria Derbyshire suggests it won’t be going anywhere for a while. Surely any potential saving from showing VD has been negated by cutting it to an hour?


It’s a massive redesign of a pretty key part of screen real estate.

Given that it has to work across two 24 hour rolling channels - all BBC One output and online - I would say that’s a pretty big (and fun) job.

2013 involved moving into brand new premises so is easier than doing it while things are on air and live.... like building an extension while you live in the house.... it’s always easier to build new!

Anyway - what do I know 😂 - I’ll just enjoy all the speculation...

Your patience will be rewarded sometime in 2019.

😘


So does that mean the Global News output isn't going to get their on-screen graphics refreshed alongside the other BBC News output? Wink
JO
Joe
It’s Feb now when are the two shows mentioned revamping?

In February?
MO
Moz
I appreciate that the BBC is a much larger organisation, but didn’t ITV manage to change to Reem almost overnight? I may be misremembering, but wasn’t the 2013 rebrand very efficient at updating everything at the same time? I’m sure there’s a technical explanation, but it seems very odd that it’s taken so long to start changing things over to Reith.

A new look for Victoria Derbyshire suggests it won’t be going anywhere for a while. Surely any potential saving from showing VD has been negated by cutting it to an hour?


It’s a massive redesign of a pretty key part of screen real estate.

Given that it has to work across two 24 hour rolling channels - all BBC One output and online - I would say that’s a pretty big (and fun) job.

2013 involved moving into brand new premises so is easier than doing it while things are on air and live.... like building an extension while you live in the house.... it’s always easier to build new!

Anyway - what do I know 😂 - I’ll just enjoy all the speculation...

Your patience will be rewarded sometime in 2019.

😘


So does that mean the Global News output isn't going to get their on-screen graphics refreshed alongside the other BBC News output? Wink


How do you work that out? He says it’s across two 24 hour news channels so that presumably means BBC World News too.
BR
Brekkie
It’s Feb now when are the two shows mentioned revamping?

On the 29th.
RN
Rolling News
It’s Feb now when are the two shows mentioned revamping?

On the 29th.

At the rate it's going it probably will be February 29th 2020. Or 2024.
MD
mdtauk
Moz posted:

So does that mean the Global News output isn't going to get their on-screen graphics refreshed alongside the other BBC News output? Wink


How do you work that out? He says it’s across two 24 hour news channels so that presumably means BBC World News too.

BBC World News, is not the Global News output. I am talking about BBC News Arabic, Persian, Bengali, Turkish, etc At the moment they share the same branding and on-screen graphics (with different logos) and with the Right to Left language supported where appropriate.

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DE
deejay
Moz posted:
I appreciate that the BBC is a much larger organisation, but didn’t ITV manage to change to Reem almost overnight? I may be misremembering, but wasn’t the 2013 rebrand very efficient at updating everything at the same time? I’m sure there’s a technical explanation, but it seems very odd that it’s taken so long to start changing things over to Reith.

A new look for Victoria Derbyshire suggests it won’t be going anywhere for a while. Surely any potential saving from showing VD has been negated by cutting it to an hour?


It’s a massive redesign of a pretty key part of screen real estate.

Given that it has to work across two 24 hour rolling channels - all BBC One output and online - I would say that’s a pretty big (and fun) job.

2013 involved moving into brand new premises so is easier than doing it while things are on air and live.... like building an extension while you live in the house.... it’s always easier to build new!

Anyway - what do I know 😂 - I’ll just enjoy all the speculation...

Your patience will be rewarded sometime in 2019.

😘


Thanks for the info Chris. Would you be able to give some insight into the work which is being done - without giving anything away about what the result will be? For example, will the way the graphics work change, or is it just the way they look that’s changing?

Who is it in the gallery who adds the info which appears on screen, on the straps, the ticker and the pull back (if that’s what it’s called)? How much work goes into this and how automated is it?

How come sometimes things don’t align? Is this because it’s added at different stages? Will the revamp address this or is it something that can’t be easily fixed due to all the various inputs?

Would be interesting to know what’s involved.


Put it this way, BBC News isn’t simply going to replace one font with another, and that’s why it’s a massive job.

In the rolling news channel galleries, lower thirds are automatic and appear according to the data entered into the running order by the journalist reposinsble for that item. If it’s an edited package, the details are put into the running order with in and out times. If it’s a live sequence in the studio or on an outside source a sequence of pre-written lower thirds is started (either via automation or manually by a text producer). These can be amended, dropped or added to on the fly as required and can be replaced manually by name captions for a guest or reporter. Push backs are created by graphics producers and are run as required. All lower thirds, pushbacks and a lot of full frame graphics (including catwalks) are created in the newsroom by journalists via Viz templates. Bespoke graphics are designed by a team of graphics designers as required. Designing the templates (of which there are a LOT) takes a huge amount of time and effort, as they have to be so flexible. Consider for example a full frame graphic which is a series of quotes, perhaps an exchange in a court. How many quotes? How long are they? Do you want (or even have) a photo of each person in the exchange? Are there more than two people conversing? Apart from the design and alignment, there are so many variables to consider when programming a template.

Alignment of items is a thorny issue not least because there are many different bits of kit, keyed separately in some cases working across different outlets from different studios. There can are also sync timing issues between sites, as well as physical separation (Salford vs London for example) which can making lining everything up precisely to the pixel harder than it ought to be.

Finally, consider the rest of BBC News, all of which will be working to implement these changes at the same time. All using different kit (some of which is decidedly old), most of which is SD. Even with the best will in the world, converting from HD to SD can introduce alignment issues, let alone using legacy kit like Aston.
MO
Moz
Thanks for that deejay. Great insight.

Perhaps using graphics which use boxes which are *meant to* randomly overlap slightly (a bit like the overlapping cards of the new itv graphics) would make this easier. If they’re not meant to align perfectly it won’t matter when they don’t.
MD
mdtauk
Moz posted:
Thanks for that deejay. Great insight.

Perhaps using graphics which use boxes which are *meant to* randomly overlap slightly (a bit like the overlapping cards of the new itv graphics) would make this easier. If they’re not meant to align perfectly it won’t matter when they don’t.

The BBC has less scope than say Sky News to be "quirky" with its on-screen presentation, but there are ways to add "breathing" space around elements, and still present graphics on screen.

But even with new graphic templates, it will take time as there is the process of preparing templates for all the different production equipment like Quantels, Viz, After Effects, Premiere, Avid, which all match a designed spec. Getting fonts optimised for the older SD tech. Testing the new templates with the equipment in a way which does not disrupt the live on air output.

I am assuming the BBC News Design department or BBC Creative teams have decided on what the new on-screen design will be, and the various processes are now being undertaken to get all the elements ready to go live. I could be wrong, they could still be tweaking things.

This is all assuming the overall BBC News branding is not being given a fresh look by an outside agency. For what it is worth, I think the current titles and branding could do with a few updates, as they have been in use either in SD from 2008 or updated to HD in 2013 - which is over 10 years.
DV
DVB Cornwall
On the day of more Brexit headlines, BBC News must have all sorts of things crossed that there's a unequal number of goals at The Hawthorns in the next 45 mins of play. At HT in the FACup replay its WBA 0-0 BHA, more shuffling is on the cards at present.
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Brekkie
Are we going there again assuming with pages of speculation of what the BBC will do with the news in the event of extra time only for them to do what they always do?

That said this always looked a poor replay pick on paper.
Last edited by Brekkie on 6 February 2019 9:58pm
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gordonthegopher
Extra Time is looming!

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