WO
At the 10pm TOTH when they finally mentioned it, Martine was speaking to a Radio Leicester reporter who was at the scene so they did have resources at the ground.
I would assume its down to getting a team in the studio to coordinate and present the special on Radio Leicester. Unless you've got a competent presenter, with a background/experience in journalism who can handle the broadcast with a BA already on air/in the building, its probably best to wait until there's enough resources to put something out. As I understand it, they were in the middle of a specialist music show at the time.
That, however, doesn't excuse the poor handling of the incident by the World/News channel late teams.
BBC Radio Leicester are finally opting out for a special.
At the 10pm TOTH when they finally mentioned it, Martine was speaking to a Radio Leicester reporter who was at the scene so they did have resources at the ground.
I would assume its down to getting a team in the studio to coordinate and present the special on Radio Leicester. Unless you've got a competent presenter, with a background/experience in journalism who can handle the broadcast with a BA already on air/in the building, its probably best to wait until there's enough resources to put something out. As I understand it, they were in the middle of a specialist music show at the time.
That, however, doesn't excuse the poor handling of the incident by the World/News channel late teams.
AS
AlexS
BBC Radio Leicester are finally opting out for a special.
At the 10pm TOTH when they finally mentioned it, Martine was speaking to a Radio Leicester reporter who was at the scene so they did have resources at the ground.
I would assume its down to getting a team in to do the special on Radio Leicester. Unless you've got a competent presenter who can handle the broadcast with a BA, its probably best to wait until there's enough resources to put something out.
That, however, doesn't excuse the poor handling of the incident by the World/News channel late teams.
The Radio Leicester 'reporter' Martine spoke to at 22:00 was the weekday breakfast show co-presenter who has presented on the station for a number of years (up until very recently solo)...
Although obviously that doesn't mean that there were any suitable production staff at the ground and the Radio Leicester football presenter (who is leading the current coverage) has very little experience in anything other than sports broadcasting (and has only been permanent BBC staff for a matter of weeks).
WO
At the 10pm TOTH when they finally mentioned it, Martine was speaking to a Radio Leicester reporter who was at the scene so they did have resources at the ground.
I would assume its down to getting a team in to do the special on Radio Leicester. Unless you've got a competent presenter who can handle the broadcast with a BA, its probably best to wait until there's enough resources to put something out.
That, however, doesn't excuse the poor handling of the incident by the World/News channel late teams.
The Radio Leicester 'reporter' Martine spoke to at 22:00 was the weekday breakfast show co-presenter who has presented on the station for a number of years (up until very recently solo)...
Although obviously that doesn't mean that there were any suitable production staff at the ground and the Radio Leicester football presenter has very little experience in anything other than sports broadcasting (and has only been permanent BBC staff for a matter of weeks).
People often forget it takes a while to get a team in place, even for radio. A duty editor would ring round to see who's available. Baring in mind its late on a Saturday night it won't have been easy. You then have to coordinate getting BAs etc to the studio, that's all before even putting a running order in place and ensuring you've got the basic content to go live.
From someone who's been on air myself during such incidents (both local and national) and been in the hotseat during events such as Westminster Bridge when I was single handedly pulling content and audio from IRN Net Newsroom, reading it out, watching Sky News and putting together a half past headlines and coordinating what we were going to do in the next hour wasn't easy. When its a local story its even more tricky.
However, going back to the News channel tonight. It hasn't been particularly well handled. The news was breaking at around 20:50, if they'd wanted to i'm sure breaking coverage on the news channel could've replaced the World simulcast. It did seem, however, that it look an awfully long time for the BBC to pick up on the story in the first place with it only appearing on the ticker and their website at around 21:20. The story first got mentioned on the news channel at 22:00 and even then it was a short 5 minute piece as the BBC One simulcast was about to happen. The first full run down of what was unfolding was with Clive on the BBC One late news at about 22:15, second on the running order after the US shooting.
It's not the first time the news channel's been caught on the hoof like this on weekend evenings, whether its down to lack of staff or resources, who knows.
BBC Radio Leicester are finally opting out for a special.
At the 10pm TOTH when they finally mentioned it, Martine was speaking to a Radio Leicester reporter who was at the scene so they did have resources at the ground.
I would assume its down to getting a team in to do the special on Radio Leicester. Unless you've got a competent presenter who can handle the broadcast with a BA, its probably best to wait until there's enough resources to put something out.
That, however, doesn't excuse the poor handling of the incident by the World/News channel late teams.
The Radio Leicester 'reporter' Martine spoke to at 22:00 was the weekday breakfast show co-presenter who has presented on the station for a number of years (up until very recently solo)...
Although obviously that doesn't mean that there were any suitable production staff at the ground and the Radio Leicester football presenter has very little experience in anything other than sports broadcasting (and has only been permanent BBC staff for a matter of weeks).
People often forget it takes a while to get a team in place, even for radio. A duty editor would ring round to see who's available. Baring in mind its late on a Saturday night it won't have been easy. You then have to coordinate getting BAs etc to the studio, that's all before even putting a running order in place and ensuring you've got the basic content to go live.
From someone who's been on air myself during such incidents (both local and national) and been in the hotseat during events such as Westminster Bridge when I was single handedly pulling content and audio from IRN Net Newsroom, reading it out, watching Sky News and putting together a half past headlines and coordinating what we were going to do in the next hour wasn't easy. When its a local story its even more tricky.
However, going back to the News channel tonight. It hasn't been particularly well handled. The news was breaking at around 20:50, if they'd wanted to i'm sure breaking coverage on the news channel could've replaced the World simulcast. It did seem, however, that it look an awfully long time for the BBC to pick up on the story in the first place with it only appearing on the ticker and their website at around 21:20. The story first got mentioned on the news channel at 22:00 and even then it was a short 5 minute piece as the BBC One simulcast was about to happen. The first full run down of what was unfolding was with Clive on the BBC One late news at about 22:15, second on the running order after the US shooting.
It's not the first time the news channel's been caught on the hoof like this on weekend evenings, whether its down to lack of staff or resources, who knows.
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LL
That, however, doesn't excuse the poor handling of the incident by the World/News channel late teams.
The Radio Leicester 'reporter' Martine spoke to at 22:00 was the weekday breakfast show co-presenter who has presented on the station for a number of years (up until very recently solo)...
Although obviously that doesn't mean that there were any suitable production staff at the ground and the Radio Leicester football presenter (who is leading the current coverage) has very little experience in anything other than sports broadcasting (and has only been permanent BBC staff for a matter of weeks).
The sports guy on Radio Leicester is certainly trying his best in testing circumstances.
It appears they're handing over to 5 Live at midnight.
London Lite
Founding member
That, however, doesn't excuse the poor handling of the incident by the World/News channel late teams.
The Radio Leicester 'reporter' Martine spoke to at 22:00 was the weekday breakfast show co-presenter who has presented on the station for a number of years (up until very recently solo)...
Although obviously that doesn't mean that there were any suitable production staff at the ground and the Radio Leicester football presenter (who is leading the current coverage) has very little experience in anything other than sports broadcasting (and has only been permanent BBC staff for a matter of weeks).
The sports guy on Radio Leicester is certainly trying his best in testing circumstances.
It appears they're handing over to 5 Live at midnight.
SP
Bear in mind that the stadium was evacuated which will have included the media areas and OB truck compound, so until they were given the all clear to go back in it would have been difficult to get anything on air.
MA
I think Arena were there as the OB provider. When the crash occurred they’d have been well into their derig, Certainly not in any position to provide any pictures etc
Bear in mind that the stadium was evacuated which will have included the media areas and OB truck compound, so until they were given the all clear to go back in it would have been difficult to get anything on air.
I think Arena were there as the OB provider. When the crash occurred they’d have been well into their derig, Certainly not in any position to provide any pictures etc
SP
BT were live from the stadium doing their post match debate (and showed the helicopter taking off) at the time, unless I've missed something.
IR
BT were on ad break at the moment of take off, they did pick up the helicopter getting ready to go and Jake was the first to break the news about what happened after the break. Really tough day for everyone in BT Sport.
I imagine all on air and off air footage that BT have of the helicopter in the stadium will be used by investigators to see if anything unusual can be spotted and perhaps identity who exactly was on board the aircraft.
I imagine all on air and off air footage that BT have of the helicopter in the stadium will be used by investigators to see if anything unusual can be spotted and perhaps identity who exactly was on board the aircraft.
GE
thegeek
Founding member
The helicopter was preparing to take off, then they went to a VT. When they came back, the helicopter had cleared the stadium and the discussion continued for a few more minutes. In the background, people in high-vis jackets started running towards a corner of the pitch. Jake went to the break, with apparently nothing wrong - he then broke the news when they returned from the break.
BF
While I didn’t see the BBC News Channel yesterday from the accounts the coverage does sound well below the standard you’d expect - going to Our World and The Film Review and US press conferences rather than mentioning the Leicester helicopter crash story is ridiculous especially with Martine already on shift.
Not the first BBC have struggled withnews at weekends though - I remember David Davis resigned as Brexit Secretary around midnight on a Sunday so rather than keeping domestic coverage on air for it we instead got a World Simulcast mostly on the thai floods - the bigger international news story but not necessarily for UKviewers
Not the first BBC have struggled withnews at weekends though - I remember David Davis resigned as Brexit Secretary around midnight on a Sunday so rather than keeping domestic coverage on air for it we instead got a World Simulcast mostly on the thai floods - the bigger international news story but not necessarily for UKviewers
LH
The UK News Channel does seem to have dropped way down the priority list of late.
Its primary focus should be delivering quality news for a UK audience, not providing a non-core BBC Two/BBC World-friendly simulcast.
If major a major story of national or national importance breaks during a Victoria Derbyshire simulcast for BBC Two, then the major story should take precedence. If that means putting somebody in the newsroom on an ad-hoc basis to maintain the BBC Two programme, then fine - but the news channel should be focussed on 'news'.
If a major story breaks during the weekend or during a world simulcast, then the channel needs to have the ability to manage. It doesn't mean it will need a full complement of production staff on a 24/7 basis - but there should be enough resource on duty to be able to take over.
Its primary focus should be delivering quality news for a UK audience, not providing a non-core BBC Two/BBC World-friendly simulcast.
If major a major story of national or national importance breaks during a Victoria Derbyshire simulcast for BBC Two, then the major story should take precedence. If that means putting somebody in the newsroom on an ad-hoc basis to maintain the BBC Two programme, then fine - but the news channel should be focussed on 'news'.
If a major story breaks during the weekend or during a world simulcast, then the channel needs to have the ability to manage. It doesn't mean it will need a full complement of production staff on a 24/7 basis - but there should be enough resource on duty to be able to take over.