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RK
Rkolsen
Are the previews/contributions of the various English regions done on Afternoon Live done in HD or are the sent to BH using existing studio camera and gallery via the contribution circuit? I assume a good deal of regions would have to set up a ENG camera (they’re HD right?) and use a Dirac to send it down the line.
NG
noggin Founding member
Are the previews/contributions of the various English regions done on Afternoon Live done in HD or are the sent to BH using existing studio camera and gallery via the contribution circuit? I assume a good deal of regions would have to set up a ENG camera (they’re HD right?) and use a Dirac to send it down the line.


Depends.

When they are from the studio of an SD English region (i.e. not Plymouth, Salford or London) they are SD. I think some regions have HD DTL positions now (using DiracPro compression with an HD camera) so they could use those - but most seem to use their studios, for additional branding for the local programme, better lighting, prompt etc.

Pretty much all the BBC regional ENG fleet is HD-capable (PMW500s and the cheap self shooting JVCs etc.) and the BBC English Region Current Affairs strand 'Inside Out' is produced in HD (BBC One HD rotates which regional version it shows during the opt-out period) and downconverted to SD for local broadcast, so most regions have HD editing too for their current affairs at least.

The English regions were all (I think) equipped with a DiracPro encoder to allow them to line-feed HD rushes for the Football League show when the BBC had rights. (Cardiff and Manchester - pre-Salford - also had DiracPro from around 2010 to let them line-feed HD edited content even though their studio infrastructure was SD)
LL
London Lite Founding member
You can tell how bad the PQ is at some of the SD sites are when they feature on News Nationwide. Look North Leeds for example despite the studio refit still has their awful cameras.
NG
noggin Founding member
You can tell how bad the PQ is at some of the SD sites are when they feature on News Nationwide. Look North Leeds for example despite the studio refit still has their awful cameras.


It was a set refit rather than a studio refit wasn't it? I don't think there were any major changes to the studio - apart from a relight?

The BBC made a 'non ideal' decision in buying Thomson TTV1707 cameras (they are effectively a Thomson 1657 camera with a digital component Triax camera cable system rather than analogue component I believe?). The 1657 was the camera that took TVC into the 16:9 SD era (so is 20+ years old as a design) You have to be careful not to wind in too much artificial detail in them or you can make them look very noisy, and very... French (well they are a French camera...)

The 1707s have not worn well - but they have been in service for a long time... They were the first 16:9 camera most regions had (previously they had done the 14:9 letterbox/pillarbox trick with 4:3 studio cameras)

Millbank had them too but they were replaced when that operation was upgraded to HD. Thomson cameras have never lasted well.

The Thomson 1647s that some regions (and TVC) had in the 4:3 CCD era had known issues that caused all sorts of deterioration with age (usually capacitor related)

AIUI Norwich, Leeds, Tunbridge Wells all got the 1707s - as may other areas. BBC London didn't ever have them as they initially moved to the same site as the BBC training studio at Marylebone High Street which already had similar LDK100s/200s to those used in N6, N8 and N9 at the time (eventually replaced with Sony E30s when the Barcos arrived as the shutters in the LDKs didn't play nicely with the colour wheels in the Barcos). EastEnders was also using LDKs by then. The LDK was a MUCH better camera than the TTV...
AL
ALV
The duplication of certain BBC Regional News names like "Look North" never bothered me until both Look North programmes are featured on News Nationwide today...
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LL
London Lite Founding member
ALV posted:
The duplication of certain BBC Regional News names like "Look North" never bothered me until both Look North programmes are featured on News Nationwide today...
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There are three Look North branded bulletins, the one not shown is the Hull version.
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WM
W M
ALV posted:
The duplication of certain BBC Regional News names like "Look North" never bothered me until both Look North programmes are featured on News Nationwide today...
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I’m sure a few minutes on an afternoon digital channel as filler isn’t going to cause any problems for the actual Look North shows or bother many.
HA
harshy Founding member
One with the gill sans font the other in helvetica, where’s the consistency
SS
SuperSajuuk
Has anyone noticed that the filler scenes that have no countdown in the last week have often been the older version from 2013 and not the updated version from last year? Is this just someone pressing the wrong buttons to play the wrong clip, or are they updating the clips again?
DO
dosxuk
One with the gill sans font the other in helvetica, where’s the consistency


The different font looks more on-brand than the dark grey though.
SP
Spencer
One with the gill sans font the other in helvetica, where’s the consistency


The different font looks more on-brand than the dark grey though.


Or should that be ‘less off-brand’? Just shows what an incoherent mess the BBC’s branding is currently in.
BA
bilky asko
One with the gill sans font the other in helvetica, where’s the consistency


The different font looks more on-brand than the dark grey though.


The dark grey looks nicer on those screens than the white ever did.

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