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chris
Inspector Sands posted:
Aston is the genericised trademark for 'caption' in the UK. The US has something similar, except they say Chryon,


Exactly. It’s an eponym - a brand that has become the generic term. Same as Hoover for vacuum cleaner.
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bilky asko
chris posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
Aston is the genericised trademark for 'caption' in the UK. The US has something similar, except they say Chryon,


Exactly. It’s an eponym - a brand that has become the generic term. Same as Hoover for vacuum cleaner.


Actually, it's a genericised trademark, as Inspector Sands said; an eponym is the person something is said to be named after (such as James Prescott Joule - he is the eponym for the joule).
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noggin Founding member
Markymark posted:
noggin posted:
deejay posted:

Same can be said for older directors cueing sound effects/music etc by saying ‘Go Grams’


Ironic that 'Go Grams' (from gramophone record) is still a regular command, but 'Go Tape' (which used to be heard every day in News, even though 1/4" had long since ceased to be used) has gone the way of all things.


Well, (and I've said this before in here) the term 'filmed' is used to describe electronic studio productions, which seems to be a relatively new thing, because it always used to be 'taped' or 'recorded'.


I think that may have come from the US sit-com announcements e.g. "Cheers is filmed before a live studio audience' (which was correct - in the US they used multi camera techniques with film cameras for sitcoms like Cheers, Frasier, Friends etc.)
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VMPhil
Kenan and Kel had one of the most detailed ‘filmed in front of…’ announcements, I assume because the studios were actually a tourist attraction and so it was a bit of advertising.

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Markymark
noggin posted:
Markymark posted:
noggin posted:

Ironic that 'Go Grams' (from gramophone record) is still a regular command, but 'Go Tape' (which used to be heard every day in News, even though 1/4" had long since ceased to be used) has gone the way of all things.


Well, (and I've said this before in here) the term 'filmed' is used to describe electronic studio productions, which seems to be a relatively new thing, because it always used to be 'taped' or 'recorded'.


I think that may have come from the US sit-com announcements e.g. "Cheers is filmed before a live studio audience' (which was correct - in the US they used multi camera techniques with film cameras for sitcoms like Cheers, Frasier, Friends etc.)


You're right, though I do remember the term 'recorded in front of a live studio audience ' used on another US sitcom (that was an electronic production). I thought it may have been 1970s 'Soap' but a couple of sample You Tube searches doesn't bring up an example on that show.
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Larry the Loafer
VMPhil posted:
Kenan and Kel had one of the most detailed ‘filmed in front of…’ announcements, I assume because the studios were actually a tourist attraction and so it was a bit of advertising.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRYC2F16tzM


I never understood how that worked considering the start of the show implied there was only room for one set, yet there were at least two locations used in every episode - you didn't even see the kitchen when the curtain pulled back and that was attached to the living room.
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noggin Founding member
Markymark posted:
noggin posted:
Markymark posted:

Well, (and I've said this before in here) the term 'filmed' is used to describe electronic studio productions, which seems to be a relatively new thing, because it always used to be 'taped' or 'recorded'.


I think that may have come from the US sit-com announcements e.g. "Cheers is filmed before a live studio audience' (which was correct - in the US they used multi camera techniques with film cameras for sitcoms like Cheers, Frasier, Friends etc.)


You're right, though I do remember the term 'recorded in front of a live studio audience ' used on another US sitcom (that was an electronic production). I thought it may have been 1970s 'Soap' but a couple of sample You Tube searches doesn't bring up an example on that show.


True - but taped US sitcoms weren't as popular in recent years - Family Ties, Kate and Allie, Different Strokes all spring to mind, and I think Alf and Married with Children? But the major primetime hits of the 90s were mainly film (until HD electronic video arrived)
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Markymark
noggin posted:
Markymark posted:
noggin posted:

I think that may have come from the US sit-com announcements e.g. "Cheers is filmed before a live studio audience' (which was correct - in the US they used multi camera techniques with film cameras for sitcoms like Cheers, Frasier, Friends etc.)


You're right, though I do remember the term 'recorded in front of a live studio audience ' used on another US sitcom (that was an electronic production). I thought it may have been 1970s 'Soap' but a couple of sample You Tube searches doesn't bring up an example on that show.


True - but taped US sitcoms weren't as popular in recent years - Family Ties, Kate and Allie, Different Strokes all spring to mind, and I think Alf and Married with Children? But the major primetime hits of the 90s were mainly film (until HD electronic video arrived)


Many (most of ?) the 70s/80s series seen in the UK were film. Taxi, Cheers, MASH, Rhoda, Mary Tyler Moore Show.
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itsrobert Founding member
Off the top of my head, I think these US sitcoms were taped: Roseanne, All In The Family, The Jeffersons, Home Improvement, The Golden Girls, The Cosby Show, The Fresh Prince of Bel Air. A lot of these were very popular in the UK too.
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Markymark
itsrobert posted:
Off the top of my head, I think these US sitcoms were taped: Roseanne, All In The Family, The Jeffersons, Home Improvement, The Golden Girls, The Cosby Show, The Fresh Prince of Bel Air. A lot of these were very popular in the UK too.


I wonder what drove whether a US sit-com was film or electronic ? Film would have been more expensive to produce, but if natively supplied rather than transferred for export via 3:2 pulldown VT (and I seem to recall only MASH was natively supplied to the Beeb ?) would have looked better in '50Hz' countries (Not that that has ever been a consideration for the Americans)

I seem to remember the late 70s cult electronic series that some ITV companies screened (Soap, Benson, and WKRP) were standards converted here by ITN using the IBA's DICE standards converter to improve the quality. (The same standards converter was used by ATV to send The Muppet Show tapes the other direction)
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Revitt
I wonder what's happened to Newsroom Live this morning? Just being introduced as BBC News and doesn't seem to be any wide shots.
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SuperSajuuk
Revitt posted:
I wonder what's happened to Newsroom Live this morning? Just being introduced as BBC News and doesn't seem to be any wide shots.

The programme appears to be getting presented from the BBC London studio again (like it was during one weekend of the Pyeongchang Olympics),, so it's just "BBC News". Sport has also been in a different studio this week as well, more problems in their "main" ones again it seems.

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