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DV
dvboy
gottago posted:
This has probably been talked about plenty of times in the past but the doubled headed set up for Beyond 100 Days (dreadful title) is such an awful idea. The side by side presenting on the other side of the world sounds impressive on paper but boy is it laughable, the sort of thing you’d expect them to try out for a week and then scrap.


World Business Report did it for years, so they clearly think it works. I don't mind it. It's done better on Beyond 100 Days than on Newsday.
LO
LONDON
News96 posted:
cityprod posted:
I don't disagree that the cuts to BBC News Channel have seriously damaged it. Probably the worst thing to have happened to it since it was forced to incoprorate the BBC1 bulletins.

However, I'm reticent to say that rolling news in primetime needs to be done. I'd be more inclined to have hourly BBC News bulletins, with the back half hour being various programmes as needed. Beyond 100 Days could become a back half hour show quite easily. Heck, PBS is going to use it for exactly that purpose alongside CNNI's Amanpour in their 11pm hour.

Outside Source could be joined at the half hour, and would probably be better suited as a back half hour show rather than the full hour.

I'd prefer to have World News simulcasts replace the 6pm and 10pm if there is no chance to have separate BBC News UK programmes on BBC1 and the BBC News Channel.


That last part is where we will have to agree to disagree (as i don't mind the 6 and 10 simucasts on the NC)-it's Victoria Derbyshire and the Newsnight repeat they should be going after (in Victoria Derbyshire's case making that a show that runs only on BBC2 and the Newsnight repeat either axed or relegated to after midnight (Extend Newsroom Live to 9:00am to 1:00pm and reinstate the 11:30 edition of The Papers back to weekdays.)


Victoria Derbyshire is a News Channel production though and BBC Two is actually simulcasting the News Channel between 9 and midday to save money.

In addition although Victoria Derbyshire does not cover rolling news very well, it does break exclusive stories, which then prompt debate and conversation away from the programme in both broadcast media and print, which in turn raises the profile of the news channel. I would also say its a way of reducing costs, as there is a large amount of planning which goes into the programme, with stories which can then be continued on the news channel throughout the day. It costs more to have a news gathering operation, differing reporters on standby just incase a development breaks, than it does to have a studio based debate with an revelatory expose.
NE
News96
LONDON posted:
News96 posted:
cityprod posted:
I don't disagree that the cuts to BBC News Channel have seriously damaged it. Probably the worst thing to have happened to it since it was forced to incoprorate the BBC1 bulletins.

However, I'm reticent to say that rolling news in primetime needs to be done. I'd be more inclined to have hourly BBC News bulletins, with the back half hour being various programmes as needed. Beyond 100 Days could become a back half hour show quite easily. Heck, PBS is going to use it for exactly that purpose alongside CNNI's Amanpour in their 11pm hour.

Outside Source could be joined at the half hour, and would probably be better suited as a back half hour show rather than the full hour.

I'd prefer to have World News simulcasts replace the 6pm and 10pm if there is no chance to have separate BBC News UK programmes on BBC1 and the BBC News Channel.


That last part is where we will have to agree to disagree (as i don't mind the 6 and 10 simucasts on the NC)-it's Victoria Derbyshire and the Newsnight repeat they should be going after (in Victoria Derbyshire's case making that a show that runs only on BBC2 and the Newsnight repeat either axed or relegated to after midnight (Extend Newsroom Live to 9:00am to 1:00pm and reinstate the 11:30 edition of The Papers back to weekdays.)


Victoria Derbyshire is a News Channel production though and BBC Two is actually simulcasting the News Channel between 9 and midday to save money.

In addition although Victoria Derbyshire does not cover rolling news very well, it does break exclusive stories, which then prompt debate and conversation away from the programme in both broadcast media and print, which in turn raises the profile of the news channel. I would also say its a way of reducing costs, as there is a large amount of planning which goes into the programme, with stories which can then be continued on the news channel throughout the day. It costs more to have a news gathering operation, differing reporters on standby just incase a development breaks, than it does to have a studio based debate with an revelatory expose.


Well it certainly doesn't act like a breaking news programme! And i will keep saying what i said in previous post until it happens because as the saying goes things don't last forever when it happens, they will be left with the extending Newsroom Live option.
IT
itsrobert Founding member
cityprod posted:
I don't disagree that the cuts to BBC News Channel have seriously damaged it. Probably the worst thing to have happened to it since it was forced to incoprorate the BBC1 bulletins.

However, I'm reticent to say that rolling news in primetime needs to be done. I'd be more inclined to have hourly BBC News bulletins, with the back half hour being various programmes as needed. Beyond 100 Days could become a back half hour show quite easily. Heck, PBS is going to use it for exactly that purpose alongside CNNI's Amanpour in their 11pm hour.

Outside Source could be joined at the half hour, and would probably be better suited as a back half hour show rather than the full hour.

I'd prefer to have World News simulcasts replace the 6pm and 10pm if there is no chance to have separate BBC News UK programmes on BBC1 and the BBC News Channel.

That sounds like a decent compromise, but I guess it wouldn't save them as much money as the present situation does?

One thing I don't understand is why whenever there is a simulcast, the focus needs to be on world news for the international audience? Why can't the primary focus be on the UK - I mean the BBC1 bulletins seem to do a decent enough job of covering domestic and international news. Why does a World simulcast immediately mean that everything becomes skewed in favour of the international viewer? The BBC is a British institution and I would think the majority of the international audience would expect a UK focus to proceedings. As a UK viewer, I tune into CNN fully expecting US stories and if I did watch France 24, I would expect French stories. Couldn't they solve the problem by refocusing the evening coverage a bit more so that it covers predominantly UK news but still simulcast it on World to save money? Or am I missing something vital here? It seems fairly straightforward to me.
CA
Cando
I will try to ingect some reality into the discussion? You should be thankful the NC still on the air tbh.
Live news with zero repeat value with feck all viewers isn't going to survive in 2017.
The generous budgets that BBC News enjoyed from 1997 to 2007 will never happen again. It's a different media landscape. A one where a single Victoria Derbyshire "lovely" film is worth far more than any cabinet resignation live coverage.
Wait until you see what Disney does to Sky! The past is gone, move on
CI
cityprod
Cando posted:
I will try to ingect some reality into the discussion? You should be thankful the NC still on the air tbh.
Live news with zero repeat value with feck all viewers isn't going to survive in 2017.
The generous budgets that BBC News enjoyed from 1997 to 2007 will never happen again. It's a different media landscape. A one where a single Victoria Derbyshire "lovely" film is worth far more than any cabinet resignation live coverage.
Wait until you see what Disney does to Sky! The past is gone, move on


You're so far wrong in that, that it's a wonder whether you're actually seeing the same TV industry we are.

Pre-recorded programming, of the kind that populates linear TV right now, is moving more towards being on platforms like Netflix & Amazon Prime. Disney are looking to set up their own platform to compete with those. More and more material like this will move off linear platforms onto on-demand ones.

It is live programming, such as News and Sport, that is going to be the future of linear TV. We are already seeing this happen worldwide. Despite what you think, people tune in for live news coverage, when they ordinarily do not tune in for regular newscasts. Look at social media, it is live news coverage that gets attention, when ordinary coverage does not.

The evidence is there to be seen by everyone.
RA
radiolistener
So VD only does at most four days a week nowadays?
IT
itsrobert Founding member
Cando posted:
I will try to ingect some reality into the discussion? You should be thankful the NC still on the air tbh.
Live news with zero repeat value with feck all viewers isn't going to survive in 2017.
The generous budgets that BBC News enjoyed from 1997 to 2007 will never happen again. It's a different media landscape. A one where a single Victoria Derbyshire "lovely" film is worth far more than any cabinet resignation live coverage.
Wait until you see what Disney does to Sky! The past is gone, move on

If that's the media landscape, then they might as well close the channel altogether. In its current format, it's trying to cater for everyone and is pleasing no-one. The amount of simulcasted material now is a disservice to the viewers and in my opinion will only hasten the channel's demise. You only have to look at my viewing habits to see the impact. I never - and I mean never - used to watch Sky News. BBC News 24 was always my news channel of choice. But in the past year or so I've practically given up on it and now automatically turn to Sky News. That's because for the most part they are still providing live rolling UK focused news. They've won me over at the BBC's expense. I never thought that would ever happen. If what you're predicting happens to Sky News, then god knows what I will do. I certainly don't want to rely on social media for news. I like live pictures, reports, discussion and analysis.
AS
AlexS
radiolistener posted:
So VD only does at most four days a week nowadays?

She only ever did 5 days for the first month...
NE
News96
News96 posted:
LONDON posted:
News96 posted:

That last part is where we will have to agree to disagree (as i don't mind the 6 and 10 simucasts on the NC)-it's Victoria Derbyshire and the Newsnight repeat they should be going after (in Victoria Derbyshire's case making that a show that runs only on BBC2 and the Newsnight repeat either axed or relegated to after midnight (Extend Newsroom Live to 9:00am to 1:00pm and reinstate the 11:30 edition of The Papers back to weekdays.)


Victoria Derbyshire is a News Channel production though and BBC Two is actually simulcasting the News Channel between 9 and midday to save money.

In addition although Victoria Derbyshire does not cover rolling news very well, it does break exclusive stories, which then prompt debate and conversation away from the programme in both broadcast media and print, which in turn raises the profile of the news channel. I would also say its a way of reducing costs, as there is a large amount of planning which goes into the programme, with stories which can then be continued on the news channel throughout the day. It costs more to have a news gathering operation, differing reporters on standby just incase a development breaks, than it does to have a studio based debate with an revelatory expose.


Well it certainly doesn't act like a breaking news programme! And i will keep saying what i said in previous post until it happens because as the saying goes things don't last forever when it happens, they will be left with the extending Newsroom Live option.


And as it turns out we get our chance to find out since Victoria Derbyshire isn't back til Monday 8th January whilst the other branded programmes are all back on Tuesday 2nd.
TR
TROGGLES
New boss, new broom, about £40 million to save, interesting times ahead.
The Victoria Derbyshire (programme) is effectively Woman's hour on the telly, politically it should be safe.
The Beeb seem hell-bent on being the online place to be for news http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/help-41670342 it's a pity they don't spend time on what people actually watch.
NE
News96
And it seems Newsroom Live finished yesterday as 11:00am and 12:00pm hours have been normal bulletins (despite Newsroom Live being listed for today.)

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