Is it specifically the OS format or that it's a World simulcast that makes it not work?
I flipped over to the BBC News Channel briefly when I heard of the Damian Green resignation, but because the coverage was a simulcast, there was that strange 'World-friendly' presentation which makes it feel like you're watching a non-UK broadcaster cover it. I flipped briefly to Sky then decided to wait until the Ten O'Clock News...
(Personally I'm not a fan of Outside Source. Feels incredibly dated)
To be fair, it broke at about 20:40 and they did spend the time up to the top of the hour on it before OS led on it, but yes the OS format does not deal with domestic news well, breaking or otherwise.
What I really don't like is when a domestic story - which would perhaps be the lead on the NC at 20:00 or 22:00 - airing in World's break at 21:15, usually with a brief package cut short for a sting as World rejoin.
Surely if you watch the BBC it's under the knowledge that one of the B's means British?
"On a day when 50 million Brits died in a nuclear explosion, we here at Outside Source bring you this heart warming story from [somewhere], as a man makes a well. It's no interest to you, but we've just sent a full camera and reporter crew out there, they need a holiday."
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With Newnight finishing for Christmas next Tuesday the News Channel will be broadcasting 2 paper reviews on weekdays
It feels utterly pointless and not the sort of show that should be on at 'peak'.
But then Beyond 100 Days just seems to be there to justify the expense of an American studio and team. Why not an American news show at say 11.30 in the evening? 7pm should be there for people who may still be coming home from work and have missed "the six".
At 'peak' time there should be peak news not fluff.
Considering that studio is also used for World News America, which also airs on PBS stations, and Beyond 100 Days is about to join PBS as well, frankly that statement feels like a massive insult to both the BBC and PBS.
So basically the American market is more important than the British one?
That is exactly what you are saying.
Beyond 100 days is a specialist bulletin dealing with Trump and Brexit and quite easily fits on a domestic channel (of global stories most people in the UK are far more interested in US affairs than those of asian countries and the third world), although there is certainly an argument it should be broadcast at 18:00 or 22:00 during which a mainstream alternative is available on BBC1.
Newsday and Outside Source however do not fit into a UK domestic channel and should be dropped.
Are the Review 2017 lower thirds using BBC Reith? It doesn't look like they're using the usual NC font.
Just dipped in and took a quick look on iPlayer. It is the Helvetica/Swiss font - but I suspect it is a post-produced lower-third, so the font rendering may be a little smoother than on a live generated graphic.
It feels utterly pointless and not the sort of show that should be on at 'peak'.
But then Beyond 100 Days just seems to be there to justify the expense of an American studio and team. Why not an American news show at say 11.30 in the evening? 7pm should be there for people who may still be coming home from work and have missed "the six".
At 'peak' time there should be peak news not fluff.
Considering that studio is also used for World News America, which also airs on PBS stations, and Beyond 100 Days is about to join PBS as well, frankly that statement feels like a massive insult to both the BBC and PBS.
So basically the American market is more important than the British one?
That is exactly what you are saying.
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Of course the American market is more important than the British one, we merely have a piddling little 60 million people on these god forsaken islands, compared to the over 300 million people that there are in the United States.
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For BBC Worldwide, North America is definitely one of the major markets for BBC World News, along with Europe, India and China.
Remember, the BBC is not merely a British company, it is a global company.
Considering that studio is also used for World News America, which also airs on PBS stations, and Beyond 100 Days is about to join PBS as well, frankly that statement feels like a massive insult to both the BBC and PBS.
So basically the American market is more important than the British one?
That is exactly what you are saying.
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Of course the American market is more important than the British one, we merely have a piddling little 60 million people on these god forsaken islands, compared to the over 300 million people that there are in the United States.
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For BBC Worldwide, North America is definitely one of the major markets for BBC World News, along with Europe, India and China.
Remember, the BBC is not merely a British company, it is a global company.
That's fine, if that's the case they can drop that £150 bill that it sends to everyone in the UK through threat of imprisonment (if you don't pay the fines for not paying.)
And since when does BBC Worldwide dictate what goes onto BBC News Channel?
Considering that studio is also used for World News America, which also airs on PBS stations, and Beyond 100 Days is about to join PBS as well, frankly that statement feels like a massive insult to both the BBC and PBS.
So basically the American market is more important than the British one?
That is exactly what you are saying.
Beyond 100 days is a specialist bulletin dealing with Trump and Brexit and quite easily fits on a domestic channel (of global stories most people in the UK are far more interested in US affairs than those of asian countries and the third world), although there is certainly an argument it should be broadcast at 18:00 or 22:00 during which a mainstream alternative is available on BBC1.
Newsday and Outside Source however do not fit into a UK domestic channel and should be dropped.
I agree that at 7pm there should be a "proper bulletin" not the BBC showing off his studios in the USA, for no discernable reason.
Decided to note that Afternoon Live has finished for 2017. From tomorrow, normal (pre-AL) weekday bulletins and Review 2017 fill the slot. News at 1, 5 and 6 continue for today and tomorrow, but next week they are just listed as "BBC News" bulletins. Also, next week at the 9:00pm slot, instead of OS or WNT, it is showing "BBC World News" for the first 30 mins, and then at 9:30pm, "Our World" is showing.
Strangely from next week, the 1:00am and 2:00am 30 min bulletins during the night seem to be World News bulletins. The weird part though is that "Newsday" which is normally aired is still being shown on Christmas Day.
I agree to an extent with radiolistener here. Having watched the BBC News channel through most of its life, the state it is now in thanks to all the cuts is appalling.
First and foremost, the BBC should be catering for the UK market. Filling peak time with a load of World-orientated programming is a disservice to the British licence fee payers. This was demonstrated last night with the Damian Green resignation, which - during any other era of the channel - would have been given full rolling news treatment. But UK viewers were left with a substandard service designed mostly for international audiences.
I completely understand that the BBC has to make cost savings. I'm not questioning that at all. But when making cuts, personally I feel that the resulting programming should be designed with the domestic audiences in mind, rather than international. Can anyone imagine a scenario whereby one of the major US networks would broadcast a load of foreign news programming during prime time? Of course not. These days they even take over CNN International with domestic output every time some major news breaks in the US. What the BBC gets away with putting out on its news channel in the UK certainly wouldn't be permitted there or elsewhere.
The quality of the BBC News output during the daytime is far better than the evenings (barring Victoria Derbyshire, of course). Newsroom Live and Afternoon Live are excellent. But something really has to be done about early/mid evening. Due to longer commutes, many working people are not in a position to sit down and watch the news until later into the evening - I just about make it home in time for 6pm but consequently watch ITV News or Channel 4 News by the time I have settled in and eaten etc. There really does need to be decent domestic BBC news coverage between 7pm and 10pm for those people who want to catch up with news in between the set time bulletins. Let's not forget that was the whole purpose of the creation of BBC News 24 and it was advertised as such back in the day. Yes there are apps and websites these days - but sometimes nothing beats watching a decent interview with the key players, some analysis from correspondents and panel discussions. Sadly the BBC News channel is somewhat lacking in this respect for UK viewers during prime time.
This has probably been talked about plenty of times in the past but the doubled headed set up for Beyond 100 Days (dreadful title) is such an awful idea. The side by side presenting on the other side of the world sounds impressive on paper but boy is it laughable, the sort of thing you’d expect them to try out for a week and then scrap.
I don't disagree that the cuts to BBC News Channel have seriously damaged it. Probably the worst thing to have happened to it since it was forced to incoprorate the BBC1 bulletins.
However, I'm reticent to say that rolling news in primetime needs to be done. I'd be more inclined to have hourly BBC News bulletins, with the back half hour being various programmes as needed. Beyond 100 Days could become a back half hour show quite easily. Heck, PBS is going to use it for exactly that purpose alongside CNNI's Amanpour in their 11pm hour.
Outside Source could be joined at the half hour, and would probably be better suited as a back half hour show rather than the full hour.
I'd prefer to have World News simulcasts replace the 6pm and 10pm if there is no chance to have separate BBC News UK programmes on BBC1 and the BBC News Channel.
I don't disagree that the cuts to BBC News Channel have seriously damaged it. Probably the worst thing to have happened to it since it was forced to incoprorate the BBC1 bulletins.
However, I'm reticent to say that rolling news in primetime needs to be done. I'd be more inclined to have hourly BBC News bulletins, with the back half hour being various programmes as needed. Beyond 100 Days could become a back half hour show quite easily. Heck, PBS is going to use it for exactly that purpose alongside CNNI's Amanpour in their 11pm hour.
Outside Source could be joined at the half hour, and would probably be better suited as a back half hour show rather than the full hour.
I'd prefer to have World News simulcasts replace the 6pm and 10pm if there is no chance to have separate BBC News UK programmes on BBC1 and the BBC News Channel.
That last part is where we will have to agree to disagree (as i don't mind the 6 and 10 simucasts on the NC)-it's Victoria Derbyshire and the Newsnight repeat they should be going after (in Victoria Derbyshire's case making that a show that runs only on BBC2 and the Newsnight repeat either axed or relegated to after midnight (Extend Newsroom Live to 9:00am to 1:00pm and reinstate the 11:30 edition of The Papers back to weekdays.)
