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Rkolsen1,560 posts since 20 Jan 2014
BBC World

There was that time that there was a billed edition of Andrew Marr, but no actual show because Parliament was in recess - supposedly the first NC1 knew of it was when they called through to TC7 to line up, and didn't get any response, so an hour of the News Channel went out instead.

Honestly this is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard. My god.


Okay, just so I understand the operators of newschannel callled TC7 Studio to line up the feeds but got no response. So the people operating the newschannel were able to put together an hour show in time? Did that hour of newschannel go out on One?
cityprod1,466 posts since 3 Oct 2005
Westcountry Spotlight

There was that time that there was a billed edition of Andrew Marr, but no actual show because Parliament was in recess - supposedly the first NC1 knew of it was when they called through to TC7 to line up, and didn't get any response, so an hour of the News Channel went out instead.

Honestly this is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard. My god.


Okay, just so I understand the operators of newschannel callled TC7 Studio to line up the feeds but got no response. So the people operating the newschannel were able to put together an hour show in time? Did that hour of newschannel go out on One?


No, NC1 was Network Control 1, where BBC1 was outputted from. BBC News Channel would have put out their own output anyway, as they don't take the Andrew Marr show.
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noggin12,682 posts since 26 Jun 2001

There was that time that there was a billed edition of Andrew Marr, but no actual show because Parliament was in recess - supposedly the first NC1 knew of it was when they called through to TC7 to line up, and didn't get any response, so an hour of the News Channel went out instead.

Honestly this is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard. My god.


Okay, just so I understand the operators of newschannel callled TC7 Studio to line up the feeds but got no response. So the people operating the newschannel were able to put together an hour show in time? Did that hour of newschannel go out on One?


No - you've got it backwards.

The Andrew Marr Show is a programme on BBC One only. It is scheduled on BBC One 0900-1000 on Sundays, but doesn't generally get produced when Parliament is in recess. Looks like the team behind BBC One scheduling scheduled the show during recess, but the team making the show didn't think they were making one... (In the industry this is known as a 'cock up')

So the team supporting BBC One Playout (i.e. NC1) rang TC7 - the studio that made The Andrew Marr Show - to line-up before their scheduled transmission, only to find nobody there. As a result they instead took an hour of the BBC News Channel - which would be producing an hour of output anyway - as the News Channel didn't (and doesn't) routinely take The Andrew Marr Show.
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Rkolsen1,560 posts since 20 Jan 2014
BBC World
Honestly this is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard. My god.


Okay, just so I understand the operators of newschannel callled TC7 Studio to line up the feeds but got no response. So the people operating the newschannel were able to put together an hour show in time? Did that hour of newschannel go out on One?


No - you've got it backwards.

The Andrew Marr Show is a programme on BBC One only. It is scheduled on BBC One 0900-1000 on Sundays, but doesn't generally get produced when Parliament is in recess. Looks like the team behind BBC One scheduling scheduled the show during recess, but the team making the show didn't think they were making one... (In the industry this is known as a 'cock up')

So the team supporting BBC One Playout (i.e. NC1) rang TC7 - the studio that made The Andrew Marr Show - to line-up before their scheduled transmission, only to find nobody there. As a result they instead took an hour of the BBC News Channel - which would be producing an hour of output anyway - as the News Channel didn't (and doesn't) routinely take The Andrew Marr Show.


So the show team didn’t know. That’s a major screw up.
Rkolsen1,560 posts since 20 Jan 2014
BBC World

Okay, just so I understand the operators of newschannel callled TC7 Studio to line up the feeds but got no response. So the people operating the newschannel were able to put together an hour show in time? Did that hour of newschannel go out on One?


No - you've got it backwards.

The Andrew Marr Show is a programme on BBC One only. It is scheduled on BBC One 0900-1000 on Sundays, but doesn't generally get produced when Parliament is in recess. Looks like the team behind BBC One scheduling scheduled the show during recess, but the team making the show didn't think they were making one... (In the industry this is known as a 'cock up')

So the team supporting BBC One Playout (i.e. NC1) rang TC7 - the studio that made The Andrew Marr Show - to line-up before their scheduled transmission, only to find nobody there. As a result they instead took an hour of the BBC News Channel - which would be producing an hour of output anyway - as the News Channel didn't (and doesn't) routinely take The Andrew Marr Show.


So the show team didn’t know. That’s a major screw up.


On the phone so can’t edit (without messing up the post). Was it a scheduling error from Playout or the team not show up? If it was a latter wouldn’t people notice that a portion of staff weren’t showing up or somehow through out the week certain materials weren’t being sent? I imagine during a show like that there’d be meetings with producers, networks and news division heads. That perhaps guest lists would be released so it could be promoted ahead of time (maybe in the NaT and the regions if a MP or someone else was appearing). And that any transportation arrangements and accommodations that would normally be booked weren’t being made.

Also find it strange (from an American perspective) that shows go on hiatus when parliament it in recess. There’s still so much going on behind the scenes even if there’s nothing scheduled on Capitol Hill.
Steve in Pudsey8,579 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
I would have thought a scheduling error of some sort. Certainly not that the team just "didn't show up.

They either were not rostered to show up, due to a cock up within BBC News, or they were not commissioned to produce a show on that day, and BBC One channel management cocked up by putting it on the schedule.
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buster1,526 posts since 15 Mar 2006
London London
It's more common than you might think, it amazes me how many people in the chain can overlook something like that just because it's always there. A few years back a certain lunchtime chat show on the other side was billed for 2nd and 3rd Jan, and it was only when they were supplied with their exact on air timings a few days before tx that the team replied in horror saying everyone was on holiday and apart from anything else the set was being repainted. Dinner Date went out instead...
thegeek4,182 posts since 1 Jan 2002
London London

There was that time that there was a billed edition of Andrew Marr, but no actual show because Parliament was in recess - supposedly the first NC1 knew of it was when they called through to TC7 to line up, and didn't get any response, so an hour of the News Channel went out instead.

Honestly this is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard. My god.

There was a story in the Telegraph about it, and (natch) a thread about it at the time.
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Hatton Cross2,478 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Central (West) Midlands Today
Lack of joined up instructions happened in radio where I was working once.

Live network football commentary game, but for some reason, the bods in London running the network feed thought we were doing our own local show (we weren't)

So, they took all our commercial breaks out of the playout system (which we found out later whoever did it, did it against the rules) , and of course 2.12pm at the first break, 3 mins of dead air. 2.26pm another 3 mins of dead air.
I was in a production booth, editing another masterpiece, when I noticed through the glass the (other, not Programme Directors line) light for the XD line flashing away.

Pops into studio to answer it, but was beaten to it by our stations chief engineer on his mobile to a rather fraught duty monitoring engineer from Arqiva asking why we've had two periods of dead air in the last half hour on the stations AM frequency?

XD line was from the London network mothership just confirming that we were doing our own programme, as they noticed we had not logged out of the network playout system at 2pm when we should have.

It was luck that we didn't have 4 mins of commercials (as was the norm for live commentary games) as that would have switched the transmitter off...
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Steve Williams2,116 posts since 1 Aug 2008
This is going off the point but Vassos Alexander from BBC Radio Sport went to the opening ceremony of the Winter Olympics in, I think, Vancouver in 2010, intending just to do a couple of reports from it into Five Live. When he got there he and his producer were surprised to have London on the line asking them when they were going to start doing the full commentary they'd billed and were expecting.

So Alexander was live on air for the entire ceremony, and his commentary was simply "And here they are, the team from X" over and over again. At one point his producer rustled up someone from the British Olympic team to join him in the commentary box, but he didn't recognise him and couldn't work out a way to ask him who he was on air without it sounding rude, so he just didn't speak to him.

But it was three in the morning, so nobody was listening.
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noggin12,682 posts since 26 Jun 2001

No - you've got it backwards.

The Andrew Marr Show is a programme on BBC One only. It is scheduled on BBC One 0900-1000 on Sundays, but doesn't generally get produced when Parliament is in recess. Looks like the team behind BBC One scheduling scheduled the show during recess, but the team making the show didn't think they were making one... (In the industry this is known as a 'cock up')

So the team supporting BBC One Playout (i.e. NC1) rang TC7 - the studio that made The Andrew Marr Show - to line-up before their scheduled transmission, only to find nobody there. As a result they instead took an hour of the BBC News Channel - which would be producing an hour of output anyway - as the News Channel didn't (and doesn't) routinely take The Andrew Marr Show.


So the show team didn’t know. That’s a major screw up.


On the phone so can’t edit (without messing up the post). Was it a scheduling error from Playout or the team not show up?

I don't think I found out who was 'to blame' - I think there were issues on both sides. Blame is seldom useful, what is important is making sure it doesn't happen in the future. Chances are an email was missed and a secondary check not made.

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If it was a latter wouldn’t people notice that a portion of staff weren’t showing up or somehow through out the week certain materials weren’t being sent?

Ha ha ha!

No.

Billings for news shows (and I think all shows) will have a place holder made by scheduling - so the show would have been listed generically. Weekly talk shows like this may have a production team in the week of just two people - and if they work in their own office - who would see them not come in? Or, in fact, they may well have been coming in as usual and instead just working on forward planning future shows.

Not sure what 'certain materials' you are talking about. Other than a billing there isn't much that happens other than 'on the day'. Bookings and Billings are all semi-automated, and the operational and 'live' team would only be booked for the Sunday broadcast.

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I imagine during a show like that there’d be meetings with producers, networks and news division heads.


You'd imagine wrong... Shows like this in the UK are pretty independent. There may be a weekly meeting that programme teams went to in News, but it wouldn't be unusual for the editor of one show not to be there. It would be unusual for the show to have to meet with any Network teams - commissioners, controllers etc. as News output is pretty independent of networks day-to-day. (There may be meetings about overall strategy - but content decisions are editorially independent day-to-day)

However in this case nobody in the news structure would have imagined that the show had been scheduled - as it was a weekend when Parliament was in recess I believe?

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That perhaps guest lists would be released so it could be promoted ahead of time (maybe in the NaT and the regions if a MP or someone else was appearing). And that any transportation arrangements and accommodations that would normally be booked weren’t being made.


Again - you're approaching this the wrong way. It's more a case that nobody would have assumed the show WERE going to be broadcast that weekend - other than scheduling. News, the production team, other operational teams wouldn't be expecting there to b a show - so wouldn't have been worried nothing was happening. (That doesn't mean it was a mistake by scheduling, just that a misunderstanding or miscommunication between teams wasn't picked up).

Shows like Marr would be booking their transport on Saturday evening, and probably wouldn't release guest lists until quite late on (the Saturday evening news might trail them - but wouldn't expect to if there wasn't due to be a Marr).

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Also find it strange (from an American perspective) that shows go on hiatus when parliament it in recess. There’s still so much going on behind the scenes even if there’s nothing scheduled on Capitol Hill.


DC and Westminster are very different places. Our MPs are usually back in their constituencies during recess - and politics slows down, as the Commons and Lords are not in session..
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