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Custard56
dvboy posted:
Update-Provisional Schedules on BBC2 for W/C 21st March have the Victoria Derbyshire progamme starting at 9:00am from 21st March.

Do we know whether Breakfast will still be finishing at 9:15am once the earlier start time for Victoria Derbyshire comes into effect?


Shows Breakfast still ending at 9:15.


So we're basically going to have a BBC News at Ten / Newsnight overlap scenario at 9am on BBC One / Two / News Channel, then.

Not that I'm complaining. It would be daft to curtail the ratings-winning BBC Breakfast at 9am - unless the BBC wanted to gift itv's Lorraine Kelly with more viewers.
AN
Andrew Founding member
They could have got round this by just airing Breakfast on the News Channel until 9:15 followed by Victoria Derbyshire.

A lot has change on the news channel since the decision was taken that the post 8:30 part wasn't suitable enough. It's more suitable than a lot of the schedule now
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Custard56
They could have got round this by just airing Breakfast on the News Channel until 9:15 followed by Victoria Derbyshire.

A lot has change on the news channel since the decision was taken that the post 8:30 part wasn't suitable enough. It's more suitable than a lot of the schedule now


Indeed. Lots of padded fluff, e.g. Meet the Author / Click / The Travel Show etc. etc.
HO
House
Could you not just ensure the first 15 minutes of Victoria Derbyshire is a proper news bulletin - helping give the programme slightly more credibility on the News Channel, fill time without further stretching the budget (by reusing content and scripts from Breakfast and World News), and crucially eliminate any sense that it's competing with Breakfast for fifteen minutes and allow a clean point where viewers can switch over without feeling they've missed anything.

Though I doubt anyone's ever felt that they've 'missed anything' on that programme as it is.
i-lied, Custard56 and DTV gave kudos
SW
Steve Williams
The 45 minute shows certainly became more of a 'thing' in the post-Kilroy upheaval but I hesitate as I'm sure someone can cite an example or two from before then! (Searching online, 45 minute versions of Bargain Hunt and Passport to the Sun were paired up just before Kilroy was axed, but that was much later in the morning). I suspect you're right that the 9:25 headstart on ITV played a part in the move to 9:15 but there may have been issues within Breakfast too ie. how the post-8:30 section was structured at the time, the balance of news vs lighter content etc?


Regardless of whether there were 45 minute shows in the past, it is a fact that these days BBC1 daytime is dominated by 45 minute shows. Bargain Hunt is 45 minutes long, Pointless is 45 minutes long, the One O'Clock and regional news together are 45 minutes long, and all the dramas they commission are 45 minutes long. That's generally the schedule they work to these days. The most obvious reason why Breakfast runs until 9.15 is because it gives a flexible three hours before the irremovable Bargain Hunt.

As mentioned, Now You're Talking was a replacement for Kilroy, and actually when it began Nadia Sawalha pointed out it was better at half an hour because apparently it gave them more flexibility and they could do subjects that didn't need an hour's discussion, but it was an enormous flop. It even had the same set as Kilroy, a bit like when C4 did The Five O'Clock Show which was just The Paul O'Grady Show without him. Axing Kilroy was the best thing BBC1 ever did in daytime, the ratings shot up when he went.
DV
dvboy
They are 45 mins so that they are easily sold to commercial broadcasters abroad and the likes of UKTV here.
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i-lied
House posted:
Could you not just ensure the first 15 minutes of Victoria Derbyshire is a proper news bulletin - helping give the programme slightly more credibility on the News Channel, fill time without further stretching the budget (by reusing content and scripts from Breakfast and World News), and crucially eliminate any sense that it's competing with Breakfast for fifteen minutes and allow a clean point where viewers can switch over without feeling they've missed anything.

Though I doubt anyone's ever felt that they've 'missed anything' on that programme as it is.


I was under the impression the NC would start at 9am with BBC Two joining at 9:15 as usual. At least that's how I read the article describing the cutbacks.
DV
dvboy
The 11:00 hour on BBC Two is rebranded BBC Newsroom Live from 21 March, the same day Victoria Derbyshire starts at 9:00. It does seem there is going to be a 15 minute overlap with Breakfast on BBC One.

BBC Newsroom Live continues to 13:00 on the news channel after BBC Two starts The Daily Politics. The Newsnight repeat also starts that day, at 23:15.

Outside Source is at 20:00 and HardTalk at 21:30, presumably this is temporary due to us changing our clocks two weeks later than the USA and therefore Outside Source and World News America are on an hour earlier than they normally are.

On Friday 25 March it's just normal BBC News at 11:00, with no BBC Two simulcast, and there is no Newsnight to repeat, because it's Good Friday.
Last edited by dvboy on 11 March 2016 1:20am
NE
News96
I see this regional Hour (meant for the 7:00 pm) hasn't started yet through-Plus They are going to have difficulties with this on a Thursday due to the fact Meet the Author starts at 7:45.

I really don't see the Newsnight repeat lasting long once the complaints about The Papers being shortened to one 20 minute edition (Monday-Thursday at least) kick in-and what are they going to do on Friday's since Newsnight is only half an hour.

As for Outside Source being at 8:00, i'm assuming the same will happen and we get a shortend News at 9 (like we did during the last Clock Change/October Half Term Week.)

Back to Good Friday and there's also no Victoria Derbyshire that day either although Business Live being on the schedule that day must be wrong as the UK Markets will be closed-I expect Breakfast to be running til 9:00 that day.
FL
flaziola
Newsroom Live, does that mean it's going to presented in an Outside Source kind of way?
CI
cityprod
Back to Good Friday and there's also no Victoria Derbyshire that day either although Business Live being on the schedule that day must be wrong as the UK Markets will be closed-I expect Breakfast to be running til 9:00 that day.


If memory serves, most Asian markets will still be trading that day, even though Europe & America won't be (mostly), so it will be a roundup of the Asian trading day.
NE
News96
From memory it's Gone out on World only on previous Bank Holidays and Breakfast ran until 9:00 on the NC (at least that's how it was on August Bank Holiday last year.)

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