Considering a key aim of it is to reach people who don't watch the flagship bulletins, I don't think 1.7m out of 24.4m can really be considered success.
Frankly the summary is an insult to the viewers intelligence and they were much better served previously by a simple 30-second trailer advising viewers what was coming up on the Ten o'clock News.
BTW, who is doing these now Kate Silverton is anchoring the 1pm news.
Ellie Crissells being doing a few of them.
I'm still not sure about it, its seems a bit pointless. If they went for a 60 Seconds style, with a ticker (like the five updates used to have) it would look better. Currently its like were all children, it just doesn't seem like a formal news update like the daily ones. The regional ones are even worse, the editor pointed out on the blog that people are happy with it because they are getting regional news. It just made me laugh! There is one regional story and the weather
As usual, the BBC is completely missing the point with this one. Just because young people aren't watching BBC One bulletins doesn't mean they aren't getting news. Unlike 10-20 years ago, young people are now using the internet to get news rather than being restricted to a handful of TV channels. I really think they should be investing more in producing high quality bulletins on BBC One for those who want that and realising that young people are getting news from other media. What we currently have is every bulletin seemingly being watered down to pander to this news nugget generation which is alienating those who want proper news.
As usual, the BBC is completely missing the point with this one. Just because young people aren't watching BBC One bulletins doesn't mean they aren't getting news. Unlike 10-20 years ago, young people are now using the internet to get news rather than being restricted to a handful of TV channels. I really think they should be investing more in producing high quality bulletins on BBC One for those who want that and realising that young people are getting news from other media. What we currently have is every bulletin seemingly being watered down to pander to this news nugget generation which is alienating those who want proper news.
You're missing the point. The BBC exists in its current form because of a universally paid TV licence fee. A key argument for the universality is that the news service that the BBC provides is used by most people at least semi-regularly. Increasingly this isn't the case - and more and more "young people" (a generalisation - but one that statistically holds some truth) are not getting news from the BBC - whether it be TV, radio, online or other means.
The 8pm summary is an attempt to do this. Whether it achieves this or not - it is an attempt to serve an audience not served - which is something the BBC has to do if it is to remain relevant to the audience that funds it AND provide a public service.
Exactly - and more to the point in most cases the BBC News website is probably the place people are getting that news.
Except that often it ISN'T coming from the BBC website - and a larger chunk of younger people are not getting their news from the BBC than historically was the case.
(Worryingly some people seem to think that Blogs are journalistically sound... Some - of course - are - whilst others are certainly not...)
Surely there isn't that much of a cost involved for the 8pm summary, when you take into account the team are all from the ten anyway. The only extra thing they have is a presenter, and lets face it, Kate wasn't exactly fulfilling her N24 contract much recently...
You have to bare in mind that it's not aimed at a lot of the people on here anyway [unlike me] and actually you're not forced to watch!
If anything it is attracting people to keep watching BBC1 where as normally there would be trailers - how many people would prefer an informal news bulliten to 5 trailers they've already seen...
Ellie Crisell will be on maternity leave soon I'd imagine - be interesting to see who they ask to do it then! I suspect we might see the odd N24 presenter cropping up on it...
Considering a key aim of it is to reach people who don't watch the flagship bulletins, I don't think 1.7m out of 24.4m can really be considered success.
Frankly the summary is an insult to the viewers intelligence and they were much better served previously by a simple 30-second trailer advising viewers what was coming up on the Ten o'clock News.
Though 1.7million people is a larger audience than most editions of Channel Four News and Newsnight get - and massively more than Five News.
1.7million people who wouldn't otherwise watch a BBC bulletin got their news from the BBC, and another 23million or so watched it as well...
(1.7 million people is a LOT more than any regional news programme gets as well - on a show by show basis)
I know that the 1.7 million figure is unique new viewers to BBC News within a fortnight - and can't be directly compared with a single audience. However in terms of numbers of people it IS important. 1.7 million people is a LOT of individuals - and the fact that a lot of them were in the 16-34 bracket the Beeb is aiming to reach is also important.
1.7 million more people who pay a licence fee (or live in a household that does) will now be getting News from the BBC than before the 8pm launched...
As usual, the BBC is completely missing the point with this one. Just because young people aren't watching BBC One bulletins doesn't mean they aren't getting news. Unlike 10-20 years ago, young people are now using the internet to get news rather than being restricted to a handful of TV channels. I really think they should be investing more in producing high quality bulletins on BBC One for those who want that and realising that young people are getting news from other media. What we currently have is every bulletin seemingly being watered down to pander to this news nugget generation which is alienating those who want proper news.
You're missing the point. The BBC exists in its current form because of a universally paid TV licence fee. A key argument for the universality is that the news service that the BBC provides is used by most people at least semi-regularly. Increasingly this isn't the case - and more and more "young people" (a generalisation - but one that statistically holds some truth) are not getting news from the BBC - whether it be TV, radio, online or other means.
The 8pm summary is an attempt to do this. Whether it achieves this or not - it is an attempt to serve an audience not served - which is something the BBC has to do if it is to remain relevant to the audience that funds it AND provide a public service.
You know what I think, noggin? I think the BBC should stop faffing about trying to please all and sundry and instead focus on producing high quality programmes. I'm slap bang in the target audience age group as are many of my friends. I'm something of the exception because I watch proper news bulletins but the majority of my friends use BBC News online. So long as they are getting their news from one BBC outlet or another, what's the problem? Have the BBC ever thought that maybe these people who don't watch news actually don't want news? Why must everyone tune into the BBC just because they have a news bulletin on?
You know what I think, noggin? I think the BBC should stop faffing about trying to please all and sundry and instead focus on producing high quality programmes. I'm slap bang in the target audience age group as are many of my friends. I'm something of the exception because I watch proper news bulletins but the majority of my friends use BBC News online. So long as they are getting their news from one BBC outlet or another, what's the problem? Have the BBC ever thought that maybe these people who don't watch news actually don't want news? Why must everyone tune into the BBC just because they have a news bulletin on?
You (and by association) your friends are an exception - you're consuming news and you're consuming it from the BBC. BBC television news is haemorrhaging viewers and it's got to broaden its range of outlets and offerings to stem that. What the BBC is trying to do is show that it is more than just the Today programme and Newsnight, there's a breadth of styles.
And if you'll allow me to go all Reithian for a moment, it doesn't matter that they don't want news, they
need
news. It's the BBC's responsibility to provide what is vital for society, and an informed populous is a vital part of a democratic society.
The 8pm isn't drawing focus away from producing other programmes - it's using resources that the BBC nationally and locally already has and merely packaging them up in a different way to target a different audience.
People inside the BBC and out criticise 60 seconds for exactly the same reason - it's not real news if it's not got analysis and depth. But what if you don't want that? Plenty of people, young and old, take only a casual interest in current affairs, if any at all, so it's our job to provide for them too as they're paying us to do so.
You know what I think, noggin? I think the BBC should stop faffing about trying to please all and sundry and instead focus on producing high quality programmes. I'm slap bang in the target audience age group as are many of my friends. I'm something of the exception because I watch proper news bulletins but the majority of my friends use BBC News online. So long as they are getting their news from one BBC outlet or another, what's the problem? Have the BBC ever thought that maybe these people who don't watch news actually don't want news? Why must everyone tune into the BBC just because they have a news bulletin on?
You (and by association) your friends are an exception - you're consuming news and you're consuming it from the BBC. BBC television news is haemorrhaging viewers and it's got to broaden its range of outlets and offerings to stem that. What the BBC is trying to do is show that it is more than just the Today programme and Newsnight, there's a breadth of styles.
And if you'll allow me to go all Reithian for a moment, it doesn't matter that they don't want news, they
need
news. It's the BBC's responsibility to provide what is vital for society, and an informed populous is a vital part of a democratic society.
The 8pm isn't drawing focus away from producing other programmes - it's using resources that the BBC nationally and locally already has and merely packaging them up in a different way to target a different audience.
People inside the BBC and out criticise 60 seconds for exactly the same reason - it's not real news if it's not got analysis and depth. But what if you don't want that? Plenty of people, young and old, take only a casual interest in current affairs, if any at all, so it's our job to provide for them too as they're paying us to do so.
