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BBC News 24 and World - 90s flags presentation

(June 2012)

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RI
Richard
a516 posted:
Richard posted:

Thanks very much for that reply. So, to clarify, was BBC World still using the old, / B / B / C / logo until 25th October, even though the |B|B|C| logo was introduced three weeks earlier on BBC TV in the UK?


Yes that's how I remembered it. I lived in Germany at the time and BBC World, NBC Europe and CNN were the only English language channels I had access to in 1997.


Fascinating! It's a real contrast to the UK where everything (apart from old programmes) changed to the new logo on 4th October.
IT
itsrobert Founding member
Just thinking about 24 Hours and This Week, which it seems were "related" programmes (at least in terms of presentation). I take it that 24 Hours was replaced by the weekly (as opposed to daily 24 Hours?) "Reporters"? The reason I ask is that when I started watching BBC World, Reporters and This Week shared presentation. The only difference was the colour of the titles and graphics; in fact they even shared the same theme tune. Am I on the right lines here?

Interesting to hear that the orange Asia Today titles launched the same day as the new channel presentation on 3 April 2000. I take it the theme music was composed by David Lowe then?

Does anyone remember a programme called World Sport, which eventually became Sport Today? During 2000, World Sport was presentationally linked to the sports news during BBC News bulletins, only it used an extended version of the sport sting to open (which was marvellous). At some point, World Sport was dropped and it became Sport Today with a totally new presentation package. Can anyone remember when this change occurred? I'm inclined to say it happened some time in early 2001, but I guess it could have happened in late 2000? Anyone know the answer? Also, did a standalone World Sport programme exist during the later flags era, or was this too a new change on 3 April 2000?
MI
Mike516
itsrobert posted:
Just thinking about 24 Hours and This Week, which it seems were "related" programmes (at least in terms of presentation). I take it that 24 Hours was replaced by the weekly (as opposed to daily 24 Hours?) "Reporters"? The reason I ask is that when I started watching BBC World, Reporters and This Week shared presentation. The only difference was the colour of the titles and graphics; in fact they even shared the same theme tune. Am I on the right lines here?

Interesting to hear that the orange Asia Today titles launched the same day as the new channel presentation on 3 April 2000. I take it the theme music was composed by David Lowe then?

Does anyone remember a programme called World Sport, which eventually became Sport Today? During 2000, World Sport was presentationally linked to the sports news during BBC News bulletins, only it used an extended version of the sport sting to open (which was marvellous). At some point, World Sport was dropped and it became Sport Today with a totally new presentation package. Can anyone remember when this change occurred? I'm inclined to say it happened some time in early 2001, but I guess it could have happened in late 2000? Anyone know the answer? Also, did a standalone World Sport programme exist during the later flags era, or was this too a new change on 3 April 2000?


Not sure if Reporters was a direct replacement to 24 Hours. If there was a glass "24" and a glass "T" for 24 Hours and This Week, was there a glass "R" for Reporters, I wonder?

World Sport began as a stand alone programme in 2000, just before the rebrand. The World Today was axed a few weeks ahead of the change, replaced by 1900 CET BBC World News; 1935 CET World Business Report; 1945 CET World Sport and 2000 CET BBC World News. The change made led to a reduction of head count - no programmes with two presenters anymore!
MW
Mike W
Richard posted:
a516 posted:
Richard posted:

Thanks very much for that reply. So, to clarify, was BBC World still using the old, / B / B / C / logo until 25th October, even though the |B|B|C| logo was introduced three weeks earlier on BBC TV in the UK?


Yes that's how I remembered it. I lived in Germany at the time and BBC World, NBC Europe and CNN were the only English language channels I had access to in 1997.


Fascinating! It's a real contrast to the UK where everything (apart from old programmes) changed to the new logo on 4th October.


Indeed, banners were sent out to the English Regions to replace their building signage temporarily (Pebble Mill was changed on the 7th of October I'm told - to a front lit sign, then applications were put in for a backlit internal one a year later!)

Seems funny that World took an extra 20 something days!

168 days later

LW
LeeWN
a516 posted:
Yes, the 2000 relaunch saw the introduction of the new orange titles.


If it was introduced in 2000, did the programme used their own version of the flags before the relaunch? I seem to recall that there was Asia Today during the flags era.
MD
mdtauk
Thinking about the filming of the flag elements for the 1997 branding, I doubt these would have been filmed underwater. The lighting and focus on the image would have been warped and distorted by the water, and the caustic effect of light refracting through the water.

It is more likely these flags were made with fabric and filmed with high speed cameras in a photographic studio environment and wind machines.
BE
Ben Founding member
mdtauk posted:
It is more likely these flags were made with fabric and filmed with high speed cameras in a photographic studio environment and wind machines.


Pretty sure I've seen a behind the scenes video in the past showing just that.
AL
AaronLancs
a516 posted:
itsrobert posted:
Just thinking about 24 Hours and This Week, which it seems were "related" programmes (at least in terms of presentation). I take it that 24 Hours was replaced by the weekly (as opposed to daily 24 Hours?) "Reporters"? The reason I ask is that when I started watching BBC World, Reporters and This Week shared presentation. The only difference was the colour of the titles and graphics; in fact they even shared the same theme tune. Am I on the right lines here?

Interesting to hear that the orange Asia Today titles launched the same day as the new channel presentation on 3 April 2000. I take it the theme music was composed by David Lowe then?

Does anyone remember a programme called World Sport, which eventually became Sport Today? During 2000, World Sport was presentationally linked to the sports news during BBC News bulletins, only it used an extended version of the sport sting to open (which was marvellous). At some point, World Sport was dropped and it became Sport Today with a totally new presentation package. Can anyone remember when this change occurred? I'm inclined to say it happened some time in early 2001, but I guess it could have happened in late 2000? Anyone know the answer? Also, did a standalone World Sport programme exist during the later flags era, or was this too a new change on 3 April 2000?


Not sure if Reporters was a direct replacement to 24 Hours. If there was a glass "24" and a glass "T" for 24 Hours and This Week, was there a glass "R" for Reporters, I wonder?

World Sport began as a stand alone programme in 2000, just before the rebrand. The World Today was axed a few weeks ahead of the change, replaced by 1900 CET BBC World News; 1935 CET World Business Report; 1945 CET World Sport and 2000 CET BBC World News. The change made led to a reduction of head count - no programmes with two presenters anymore!

Didn't This Week and Reporters eventually have the same titles and set one was pink and one was orange. At least that is how I remember it or am I wrong?
MI
Mike516
AaronLancs posted:
a516 posted:
itsrobert posted:
Just thinking about 24 Hours and This Week, which it seems were "related" programmes (at least in terms of presentation). I take it that 24 Hours was replaced by the weekly (as opposed to daily 24 Hours?) "Reporters"? The reason I ask is that when I started watching BBC World, Reporters and This Week shared presentation. The only difference was the colour of the titles and graphics; in fact they even shared the same theme tune. Am I on the right lines here?

Interesting to hear that the orange Asia Today titles launched the same day as the new channel presentation on 3 April 2000. I take it the theme music was composed by David Lowe then?

Does anyone remember a programme called World Sport, which eventually became Sport Today? During 2000, World Sport was presentationally linked to the sports news during BBC News bulletins, only it used an extended version of the sport sting to open (which was marvellous). At some point, World Sport was dropped and it became Sport Today with a totally new presentation package. Can anyone remember when this change occurred? I'm inclined to say it happened some time in early 2001, but I guess it could have happened in late 2000? Anyone know the answer? Also, did a standalone World Sport programme exist during the later flags era, or was this too a new change on 3 April 2000?


Not sure if Reporters was a direct replacement to 24 Hours. If there was a glass "24" and a glass "T" for 24 Hours and This Week, was there a glass "R" for Reporters, I wonder?

World Sport began as a stand alone programme in 2000, just before the rebrand. The World Today was axed a few weeks ahead of the change, replaced by 1900 CET BBC World News; 1935 CET World Business Report; 1945 CET World Sport and 2000 CET BBC World News. The change made led to a reduction of head count - no programmes with two presenters anymore!

Didn't This Week and Reporters eventually have the same titles and set one was pink and one was orange. At least that is how I remember it or am I wrong?


Yes, same title design. One with a big "R" and one with a big "T".
LW
LeeWN
It's like the flags are real if you look at it. I don't believe it was filmed underwater.

What did BBC World do when their set was revamped for the 2000 relaunch? Did it simulcast with News 24, and if yes, what titles?
Last edited by LeeWN on 15 February 2013 10:09am
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
LeeWorldNews posted:
It's like the flags are real if you look at it. I don't believe it was filmed underwater.


I agree, you can look at it and think it is something, or even something else.

But we must be very aware of the Dunning Kruger Effect.
MI
Mike516
LeeWorldNews posted:
It's like the flags are real if you look at it. I don't believe it was filmed underwater.

What did BBC World do when their set was revamped for the 2000 relaunch? Did it simulcast with News 24, and if yes, what titles?


BBC World had a whole weekend of simulcasts with BBC News 24. Same as generic overnight titles.

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