The Newsroom

BBC News 24 and World - 90s flags presentation

(June 2012)

MS
msim
As most of us know, the flag effacts on the frosted glass are still in place in TVC's Newsroom.


Is there a picture of this anywhere?
VM
VMPhil Granada North West Today
msim posted:
As most of us know, the flag effacts on the frosted glass are still in place in TVC's Newsroom.


Is there a picture of this anywhere?


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The only higher resolution image was blurry.
DT
DTV Meridian (South) South Today
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CT
CentralTV Central (West) Midlands Today
Hey guys,

Have found a selection on 16x9 BBC World 1997 flag branding at this link:
http://www.hum.co.uk/audio-branding/#/BBC_World
Also includes a sample of music: Titles, WBR (different mix to now) and Sting.
Better quality than any youtube clips I've managed to find.

Would still love to find 'the package' as it were in mint mp3 quality.

Sorry if the website was already known about.
SR
SomeRandomStuff
Hey guys,

Have found a selection on 16x9 BBC World 1997 flag branding at this link:
http://www.hum.co.uk/audio-branding/#/BBC_World
Also includes a sample of music: Titles, WBR (different mix to now) and Sting.
Better quality than any youtube clips I've managed to find.

Would still love to find 'the package' as it were in mint mp3 quality.

Sorry if the website was already known about.


I'm not convinced that is widescreen, merely cropped, but great find.

I too would absolutely love to have the whole package in mp3.
VM
VMPhil Granada North West Today
The clip of the main BBC World ident at the end is definitely in widescreen - you can tell it is higher quality than the other clips, which I also presume are cropped.
RD
rdd Founding member
There was an awkward time when BBC World retained the flags but News 24 had gone Lambie-Narin: so overnight BBC World had a very different look to the rest of the day.


Now my memory may be deceiving me, but I seem to recall there was a period directly after News 24 rebranded in 1999 that it actually used to revert to the flags look between 01:00 and 5:30am, in order to fit in with World! I can't remember how long that lasted for though...
IT
itsrobert Founding member Granada North West Today
Does anybody know who composed the 1997-99 world package and if they are on the net anywhere? Would love to hear good quality versions as I think its one of the best news packages bar 1993-99 BBC News which was epic.
Cheers Guys.


Hear! Hear!


Lord David Dundas of ITV 1989 Fame.
Alongside Jonathan Sorrell and Martin Sponticcia


Lord Dundas did the earlier music - 1993 and 1995 update if I'm not mistaken. Going on what CentralTV found a few posts ago, it seems the BBC World 1997-2000 themes were composed by Joe Glasman of Hum Music.
DT
DTV Meridian (South) South Today
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-18627051 Picture 24 - The Newsroom in 1998, but no Frosting on the Glass Panels, was this added at the end of or after the Flags Era?

9 days later

MA
Markos
Hello everyone,

glad I'm not the only one nostalgic about the flags era. The music themes used during the 1997-99 period were some of the best tunes I've ever heard in the news genre. Someone already mentioned the sombre themes usually used on extended editions of The World Today. IIRC the show was hosted by Stephen Cole and Nici Marx at the time, but I found this YouTube clip with Stephen Cole only. Also, you'll recognize Adrian Finnighan's voice at the very beginning.



I also remember watching BBC World via HotBird satellite in the late 90s and there was an audio channel (presumably for cable operators) which would be activated a minute or so before each break and you could hear someone from the control room counting down to opt-in or opt-out moment for commercials. Hopefully the last sentence makes sense to you.
DE
deejay Oxford
The audio circuit you describe would have been the World Presentation talkback circuit. World was transmitted in Mono, with one audio leg used for mixed mono sound and the other for pres talkback. It alerted control centres of impending breaks and schedule changes, plus counts to and from news when other broadcasters were taking them. There were essentially three sorts of partner broadcasters to BBC World:
- centres that inserted ads into breaks
- centres that also added local programming into some back half-hours (notably Singapore who provided lots of programmes to Japan, South Asia and the Middle East, some recorded off-air and repeated in peak, others for rights reasons).
- other broadcasters that opted in to BBC World to take News Programmes and certain times of the day (back in the late 90s, this included BBC America, some PBS affiliates, FUJI TV and CBC.)

The World Pres talkback could therefore be spectacularly complex at times, with counts to/from breaks, to/from sponsorship stings and into and out of the news. If there were centre-breaks in the news during a bulletin that, for example, BBC America were taking, you had to insist News gave a decent standby!

Now, quite how many control rooms actually listened to all of this remains slightly in the dark. There was an automated system of pulses for commercial breaks that should have triggered breaks in sequence and forced partners back if they hadn't already switched back. There was also an enhanced version which gave a schedule readout of the breaks and their names via teletext. The pres director could also add simple text messages to this screen so that if breaks were dropped, delayed or re-arranged you could confirm these details in writing. I gather this was a very similar system to that used by Channel 4, especially in the days when ITV Regions were responsible for inserting the ads.

For a long time, commercial breaks were also preceded by Cue Dots (on at 1'00 to the break, off at 5" to the break). This was quietly dispensed with when the dot generator broke one day and we phoned a few partners to ask if it would be a problem. One memorably replied "What are cue dots?".
Two minutes regions...
MW
Mike W London London

Now, quite how many control rooms actually listened to all of this remains slightly in the dark. There was an automated system of pulses for commercial breaks that should have triggered breaks in sequence and forced partners back if they hadn't already switched back.


Sounds like the old Network Recall devices installed at the regional centres!

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