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noggin14,704 posts since 26 Jun 2001
Seeing as the 1997 News 24 package was produced in widescreen, was the 1997 World package also produced originally in widescreen?


Suspect so, as BBC World were 16:9 internally (though only seen in full 16:9 when their output was on News 24 or BBC One/Two) when they moved into the former BBC News 24 studio in early 1999 (after BBC News 24 moved into their second studio in Nov 1998 - almost exactly a year after their Nov 1997 launch) Pretty certain that World were still 'flaggy' when they moved down from the 6th floor studio - so I suspect that their package was produced in 16:9 as well for future-proofing purposes?
Mike W4,966 posts since 30 Apr 2006
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Does anybody know who composed the 1997-99 world package and if they are on the net anywhere? Would love to hear good quality versions as I think its one of the best news packages bar 1993-99 BBC News which was epic.
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Inspector Sands14,301 posts since 25 Aug 2004
Staggering the trouble we used to go to, to fill an unsold commercial break.

Not really, it's not as if no viewer ever sees it! In the early days I worked somewhere that put in the European breaks in the early days and there were only a couple of ads a day if that. It's not that far off now!

Mind you I did see it in Thailand where instead of an ad break they chucked on a load of promos for local channels which overran the break and crashed the top of the news

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The ABF survived the 1999 rebrand in that Mac/Laserdisc form and provided break cover with the now infamous bit of David Lowe music that was released on CD. I was told that the 'Festival' BBC Prime rebrand and the 1999 BBC World rebrand used some of the very last blank laserdisc stock in the world (that could have been BBC Urban myth though).

I've heard that too. I remember there being something on here years ago, I think from Noggin, that laserdiscs were used for the opening titles of the news for a long time and any new titles had to be added to the end as the discs weren't available
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noggin14,704 posts since 26 Jun 2001
Certainly CRVs (the Sony Component Laserdisc players) were used by BBC News to play titles until server playout arrived. Not sure I remember stock issues - but reliability was increasingly a concern...
Mike516 (previously a516) 660 posts since 29 Jan 2010
Central (East) East Midlands Today

There were breaks of various durations from 1'00 to 3'00 (4'00?), and there were also different combinations of News, Weather, Business etc some with/without certain segments so that if some of the data was out of date you could usually avoid a segment until someone at Ceefax could correct it. The Weather segment was often substituted for the News segment ISTR but wasn't in the main combinations of segments used by default, hence it's rather rare appearances on air.

If all else failed, you could choose to mask the incorrect bit of the break with a menu or if you were feeling very clever one of those moving flag segments from the other laserdisc.

Staggering the trouble we used to go to, to fill an unsold commercial break.

The ABF survived the 1999 rebrand in that Mac/Laserdisc form and provided break cover with the now infamous bit of David Lowe music that was released on CD. I was told that the 'Festival' BBC Prime rebrand and the 1999 BBC World rebrand used some of the very last blank laserdisc stock in the world (that could have been BBC Urban myth though). Eventually, something major broke in the ABF system (can't remember what but it may well have been the fact that Ceefax stopped providing Business, Weather & Sport content to BBC World teletext...) and we had to use a generic breakfiller for a while until the Dynamic Junction system was ready to air.

And if we thought the ABF could be prone to the odd wobbly, the DJ was a whole new story... Smile



Great post - the weather part seemed to always be included in the 1256-1259 CET break on Saturdays for some reason.

News Headlines was always the first two headlines and descriptions word for word on BBC World Text page 101, Sport usually the first paragraph of two of the articles from page 121 onward and Business was usually the first paragraph on World Text page 141/142, plus the market data as seen on World Text page 150 onward. The Coming Up screen showed word for word what was on BBC World Text page 201, except the page reference numbers, and it was in GMT onscreen, rather than CET on teletext . Once, when the clocks changed, BBC World Text page 201 had a line saying "clocks go back one hour" on the night schedule page and it made it onair in the coming up segment!!!

Between 1996-99, World Text mostly only had a three item summary of news on page 101, before Ceefax news pages 102-124 were added. Page 300 was BBC Prime listings and there was a travel segment with city breaks etc from page 500 for a short while. There was an advert for BBC World Teletext that often appeared on BBC World ad breaks (Europe only), before crashing into the breakfiller after 30 seconds.

* from MB21: http://teletext.mb21.co.uk/gallery/ceefax/more.shtml
AaronLancs233 posts since 24 Apr 2004
Granada North West Today
As most of us know, the flag effacts on the frosted glass are still in place in TVC's Newsroom. I am wondering as to what happened to the actual flags and have any of them survived to this day or not?

Plus there were England and Scotland flags, were any of the others based on real flags or not.
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Pete9,053 posts since 18 Jun 2001
STV North Reporting Scotland
As most of us know, the flag effacts on the frosted glass are still in place in TVC's Newsroom. I am wondering as to what happened to the actual flags and have any of them survived to this day or not?

Plus there were England and Scotland flags, were any of the others based on real flags or not.


IIRC The England and Scotland flags only appeared on News 24. The world flags also were often not full flags as the elements were constantly moving over one another so perhaps they were mostly shapes rather than full flags.
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AaronLancs233 posts since 24 Apr 2004
Granada North West Today
As most of us know, the flag effacts on the frosted glass are still in place in TVC's Newsroom. I am wondering as to what happened to the actual flags and have any of them survived to this day or not?

Plus there were England and Scotland flags, were any of the others based on real flags or not.


IIRC The England and Scotland flags only appeared on News 24. The world flags also were often not full flags as the elements were constantly moving over one another so perhaps they were mostly shapes rather than full flags.


Thanks for the info.
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Inspector Sands14,301 posts since 25 Aug 2004
Plus there were England and Scotland flags, were any of the others based on real flags or not.

The concept behind the originals was to have generic flags made up from elements that appear on national flags without actually featuring a particular one.

Hence they're made up of stripes, crosses, stars, circles etc