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(January 2007)

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JH
Jonathan H
David posted:
Got to admit though that's going to be a tough decision for Kate. Surely her collegues would let her off just this once?

Don't you understand how strikes and the unions work? It may well be true that some people choose not to strike and work on industrial action days for a variety of reasons (including increasing their profile), but they certainly won't be popular with their colleagues. They are unlikely to "let her off just this once". The whole point of a strike is all for one and one for all. Letting some people off defeats the whole object.
JO
Joe
The time looks far better as a solid black block next to the ticker, rather than a box. Sometimes you can see this when the image behind the graphics is dark, but it looks daft when its a lighter background, and there's a translucent dark block, with the clock box on top.

However, I would say that I prefer it on the left of the logo. Why should we compromise for the idiots who can't use their digital box properly.
HE
Hermes
Davidjb posted:
Got to admit though that's going to be a tough decision for Kate. Surely her collegues would let her off just this once?


The Oscars are an annual event, I'm sure she could survive waiting a year.
DA
Davidjb Founding member
Jonathan H posted:
David posted:
Got to admit though that's going to be a tough decision for Kate. Surely her collegues would let her off just this once?

Don't you understand how strikes and the unions work? It may well be true that some people choose not to strike and work on industrial action days for a variety of reasons (including increasing their profile), but they certainly won't be popular with their colleagues. They are unlikely to "let her off just this once". The whole point of a strike is all for one and one for all. Letting some people off defeats the whole object.


Yes i understand how strikes work and i also understand that they never achieve anything. Theres always a way round these things, all a strike does is prolong the eventuality. Sometimes you have to push on with your own choice and not be ruled by other peoples influences. it could very well work in Kate's favour to cross the picket lines!
JH
Jonathan H
Davidjb posted:
Jonathan H posted:
David posted:
Got to admit though that's going to be a tough decision for Kate. Surely her collegues would let her off just this once?

Don't you understand how strikes and the unions work? It may well be true that some people choose not to strike and work on industrial action days for a variety of reasons (including increasing their profile), but they certainly won't be popular with their colleagues. They are unlikely to "let her off just this once". The whole point of a strike is all for one and one for all. Letting some people off defeats the whole object.

Yes i understand how strikes work and i also understand that they never achieve anything. Theres always a way round these things, all a strike does is prolong the eventuality.

"Strikes never achieve anything"? Often the outcome of a dispute is not an evenuality at all and industrial action is used to force an employer's hand. It ridiculous to say they never achieve anything.
JO
Joe
If they didn't ever achieve anything, why would they still happen?
DA
Davidjb Founding member
Jugalug posted:
If they didn't ever achieve anything, why would they still happen?


Because people still believe they do achieve things, and in the short term they do. But an employer usually bows to the demands of the staff in the short term only while they find an alternate way to achieve what they wanted to do in the first place. If they want to make people redundant they will whether there is a strike or not. They just find a different way of putting it across so that the unions can't fight it.
AN
Ant
Well the 1pm headlines sequence completely failed there. At the top of the hour it came up a caption with 'Hackney Shootings' on it while Peter was talking about President Bush.

It then, for some reason, failed to show any pictures so it stayed on a shot of Peter with the caption underneath for the duration of the headlines sequence.

And to make things worse the titles failed to play so we had Peter looking through his script looking for the story about the shootings. The report then started while Peter was still talking.

Could have been a bit better...
JR
jrothwell97
Ant posted:
Could have been a bit better...


Is there a new technician or something?
GR
gregmc
Headlines were a bit wobbely at the 9pm TOTH last night too. Went to headlines at 8.58, then cut to weather then went to a still of the old title sequence, went straight to studio and into headlines as normal.
JH
Jonathan H
Davidjb posted:
Jugalug posted:
If they didn't ever achieve anything, why would they still happen?

Because people still believe they do achieve things, and in the short term they do. But an employer usually bows to the demands of the staff in the short term only while they find an alternate way to achieve what they wanted to do in the first place. If they want to make people redundant they will whether there is a strike or not. They just find a different way of putting it across so that the unions can't fight it.

Either you've never striked yourself or you've had the misfortune to be involved in many strikes that never achieved what they set out to! Strikes aren't always about redundancies.
DA
Davidjb Founding member
Jonathan H posted:
Davidjb posted:
Jugalug posted:
If they didn't ever achieve anything, why would they still happen?

Because people still believe they do achieve things, and in the short term they do. But an employer usually bows to the demands of the staff in the short term only while they find an alternate way to achieve what they wanted to do in the first place. If they want to make people redundant they will whether there is a strike or not. They just find a different way of putting it across so that the unions can't fight it.

Either you've never striked yourself or you've had the misfortune to be involved in many strikes that never achieved what they set out to! Strikes aren't always about redundancies.


But in this case it is about redundencies hence why we were talking about it! Anyway this isn't worth arguing over.

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