JH
As I think I mentioned a few pages back, the traditional picture safe area is less 10% of the full image, and graphics safe is a further 10% of the remainder (or thereabouts). Now clearly, as time and displays move on, rules can be broken but the recent discussion about who can see what and which displays can see tickers and clocks only goes to support the idea that safe areas are there for a reason.
They are designed so that all viewers (whatever display they're viewing with) can see everything they are supposed to see. Many LCD and plasma displays show almost the entire picture image with very little overscanning. CRTs inherently overscan quite a bit.
Of course much of this interesting debate is subjective. Personnally, I side with those who think that logos and graphics that sit directly on the picture edge are not asthetically pleasing. But whatever your view on that, putting a graphic there will undoubtedly cause problems with overscan for many people. I am much less concerned about widescreen and ARCing issues than about natural safe areas. I think it's high time that protecting to 4:3 is scrapped. Having said that, it seems odd that News 24 have chosen to position their clock in such a way that it is neither fully out or in on 14:9 transmissions.
I guess one of the other dilemas is that rolling news channels really come into their own on big breaking news stories that are picture-driven. When this happens, you don't want a house style that means much of your screen is cluttered with graphics.
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how the BBC style develops.
They are designed so that all viewers (whatever display they're viewing with) can see everything they are supposed to see. Many LCD and plasma displays show almost the entire picture image with very little overscanning. CRTs inherently overscan quite a bit.
Of course much of this interesting debate is subjective. Personnally, I side with those who think that logos and graphics that sit directly on the picture edge are not asthetically pleasing. But whatever your view on that, putting a graphic there will undoubtedly cause problems with overscan for many people. I am much less concerned about widescreen and ARCing issues than about natural safe areas. I think it's high time that protecting to 4:3 is scrapped. Having said that, it seems odd that News 24 have chosen to position their clock in such a way that it is neither fully out or in on 14:9 transmissions.
I guess one of the other dilemas is that rolling news channels really come into their own on big breaking news stories that are picture-driven. When this happens, you don't want a house style that means much of your screen is cluttered with graphics.
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how the BBC style develops.
SE
Sky news at the moment is fine, the active part is almost up against the left hand side, the [SKY NEWS] box touches the bottom, but is completely readable as is the ticker.
whophd posted:
Hehe. Just a question for all of you with WS-CRT safe area problems: How's Sky News looking for you?
On the reference monitor here at work, the edge of the station ident logo is touching and getting cut off, and I believe the ticker is just as close to the edge as BBC now?
CK.
On the reference monitor here at work, the edge of the station ident logo is touching and getting cut off, and I believe the ticker is just as close to the edge as BBC now?
CK.
Sky news at the moment is fine, the active part is almost up against the left hand side, the [SKY NEWS] box touches the bottom, but is completely readable as is the ticker.
HP
When I made the replica above, I overlaid it to do the typography, and Arial seemed to fit perfectly with some tracking changes.
RE
Sky ticker's fine - it comes close, yes, but not unacceptably so. It's at least half-a-line and a bit higher than the News 24 equivalent.
whophd posted:
Hehe. Just a question for all of you with WS-CRT safe area problems: How's Sky News looking for you?
On the reference monitor here at work, the edge of the station ident logo is touching and getting cut off, and I believe the ticker is just as close to the edge as BBC now?
CK.
On the reference monitor here at work, the edge of the station ident logo is touching and getting cut off, and I believe the ticker is just as close to the edge as BBC now?
CK.
Sky ticker's fine - it comes close, yes, but not unacceptably so. It's at least half-a-line and a bit higher than the News 24 equivalent.
NJ
When my parents bought their widescreen TV, it overscanned so badly that when Sky News relaunched in 2005, the ticker was so far off the bottom of the screen it was virtually unreadable.
I dare say if I hadn't had Googled the model and details to find out how to get into the hidden engineering menus to alter the overscan, News 24 by now would be virtually tickerless on it. As it stands now its right on the bottom of the current overscan area on the TV and just about readable.
Neil Jones
Founding member
itsrobert posted:
To add to the debate over the overscanning issue, I have a 16:9 Panasonic LCD television and when watching on Sky Digital yesterday, the only problem I had was about 1/3 of the LIVE bug being chopped off. The ticker and clock were perfect. Today, since the LIVE bug has been lowered slightly, it now all looks perfect on my TV.
When my parents bought their widescreen TV, it overscanned so badly that when Sky News relaunched in 2005, the ticker was so far off the bottom of the screen it was virtually unreadable.
I dare say if I hadn't had Googled the model and details to find out how to get into the hidden engineering menus to alter the overscan, News 24 by now would be virtually tickerless on it. As it stands now its right on the bottom of the current overscan area on the TV and just about readable.
MA
mark
Founding member
Apologies if this is old news, or mentioned elsewhere, but...
http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,,1996933,00.html
The gist is it looks like the clock's going to move back into the 4:3 zone - with a few other tweaks too.
http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,,1996933,00.html
The gist is it looks like the clock's going to move back into the 4:3 zone - with a few other tweaks too.
CM
Actually, that's NOT the gist of it at all...
"However, Taylor said the News 24 time box would not be moved back as most viewers had the option to watch in widescreen even on a conventional 4:3 television."
mark posted:
Apologies if this is old news, or mentioned elsewhere, but...
http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,,1996933,00.html
The gist is it looks like the clock's going to move back into the 4:3 zone - with a few other tweaks too.
http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,,1996933,00.html
The gist is it looks like the clock's going to move back into the 4:3 zone - with a few other tweaks too.
Actually, that's NOT the gist of it at all...
"However, Taylor said the News 24 time box would not be moved back as most viewers had the option to watch in widescreen even on a conventional 4:3 television."
MO
Yeah I thought that. She's been on 2-5 and 11-2 now, but not back in her old slot. Also Joanna Gosling seems quite settled from 6.30-10 now.
Londoner posted:
(Warning: Rota-phobes should look away now...)
What's happening with Emily Maitlis - is she now going to be popping up randomly on different shifts on N24?
What's happening with Emily Maitlis - is she now going to be popping up randomly on different shifts on N24?
Yeah I thought that. She's been on 2-5 and 11-2 now, but not back in her old slot. Also Joanna Gosling seems quite settled from 6.30-10 now.