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BBC News 24

(January 2007)

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NG
noggin Founding member
alarsne53 posted:
imnogoth posted:


If anything I think the nationals shouldn't have moved to the new studio - surely a real-life newsroom backdrop is cheaper than meters of TV screens never turned off?


You really do talk some rubbish.

The National bulletins did not move to a new studio in 06 - the N6 set was rebuilt. The last set (03-06) had meters of projector screens with two false newsrooms.

The 99-03 set had a CSO view of the real newsroom - however this was a recording, one side a delayed reflection of the other to make the newsroom appear bigger.

The words statement, water, out of and blown come to mind - i'll leave you to rearrange these.


Sorry - the last set to use CSO in anger was the "Virtual" blue era. This set was introduced when the news studios were on the 6th floor (both BBC One and BBC World had variants of it). This "look" was moved down to the current studio near the current newsroom when that studio opened, and was then replaced with the beige and red look, with a double-projected newsroom backing NOT a CSO.

The original version of the beige look had a live camera in one screen, and a delayed version played in the other screen (with the projector set up to reverse one shot). This was to avoid people seeing two people walking down steps precisely in sync!

Eventually the backdrop was altered, after the TV Centre bombing, and a recorded version introduced, with artworked elements added. This too was delayed in one screen.

This set was given a major update - introducing red elements, and some metallic bits, as well as the ability to hang a real photo blow up across a red panel that had otherwise been an expanse of beige wall (post 9/11)

The second version of this set was retired in early 2003 - just before the Gulf War, and the symmetrical set with three newsroom backing projectors (fed with DVDs usually) and mirrors at either side, combined with two down-the-line/reporter bigscreens introduced. This ran until early 2006, when the current "walls of projector cube" look was introduced.
PE
Pete Founding member
noggin posted:
seamus posted:
Well if it's very important breaking news, they could either opt out to World's new set, or use World's current set, which belive would be a back up set.


Though the latter would be difficult - as there would be no staff to run a third studio...


if its that important they could just use one of the newroom cameras and do an OB from there until the end of the BBC1 show/

Two studios isn't the issue, its two galleries. Could they easily run different packages on the channels?
NG
noggin Founding member
Hymagumba posted:
noggin posted:
seamus posted:
Well if it's very important breaking news, they could either opt out to World's new set, or use World's current set, which belive would be a back up set.


Though the latter would be difficult - as there would be no staff to run a third studio...


if its that important they could just use one of the newroom cameras and do an OB from there until the end of the BBC1 show/



How? You are missing my point. There would be nobody to CUT to the Newsroom camera, nobody to produce the presenter, nobody to direct the presenter, and nobody to do the boring technical stuff like sound and line-up outside sources.

In the current climate you couldn't just switch a presenter and OB voice over directly to line with nobody producing them... (Editorial guidelines and all that)

Quote:


Two studios isn't the issue, its two galleries. Could they easily run different packages on the channels?


It isn't the gallery issue - it is the staff.

In engineering terms you could probably park a VT machine or server line directly to line on the network (possibly losing dogs and graphics on the way) but there is then nobody to editorially and technically monitor the output - which is unacceptable on many levels.
MI
m_in_m
When Breakfast and BBC News 24 studios do we think we will see a consistent look across Breakfast seven days a week?
NG
noggin Founding member
m_in_m posted:
When Breakfast and BBC News 24 studios do we think we will see a consistent look across Breakfast seven days a week?


Think there were words missing there.

However AIUI the current plan is for Breakfast to come from different studios Mon-Fri and Sat-Sun. Mon-Fri will the their old home, i.e. the Working Lunch / Newsround / Hardtalk / (Six post Christmas) / Newsnight studio, whilst Sat-Sun will be the new News 24 studio (currently home to the One / Six / Ten)
SE
Seb
noggin posted:
alarsne53 posted:
imnogoth posted:


If anything I think the nationals shouldn't have moved to the new studio - surely a real-life newsroom backdrop is cheaper than meters of TV screens never turned off?


You really do talk some rubbish.

The National bulletins did not move to a new studio in 06 - the N6 set was rebuilt. The last set (03-06) had meters of projector screens with two false newsrooms.

The 99-03 set had a CSO view of the real newsroom - however this was a recording, one side a delayed reflection of the other to make the newsroom appear bigger.

The words statement, water, out of and blown come to mind - i'll leave you to rearrange these.


Sorry - the last set to use CSO in anger was the "Virtual" blue era. This set was introduced when the news studios were on the 6th floor (both BBC One and BBC World had variants of it). This "look" was moved down to the current studio near the current newsroom when that studio opened, and was then replaced with the beige and red look, with a double-projected newsroom backing NOT a CSO.

The original version of the beige look had a live camera in one screen, and a delayed version played in the other screen (with the projector set up to reverse one shot). This was to avoid people seeing two people walking down steps precisely in sync!

Eventually the backdrop was altered, after the TV Centre bombing, and a recorded version introduced, with artworked elements added. This too was delayed in one screen.

This set was given a major update - introducing red elements, and some metallic bits, as well as the ability to hang a real photo blow up across a red panel that had otherwise been an expanse of beige wall (post 9/11)

The second version of this set was retired in early 2003 - just before the Gulf War, and the symmetrical set with three newsroom backing projectors (fed with DVDs usually) and mirrors at either side, combined with two down-the-line/reporter bigscreens introduced. This ran until early 2006, when the current "walls of projector cube" look was introduced.


My apologies about the 99-03 set mistake.
HO
House
alarsne53 posted:
noggin posted:
alarsne53 posted:
imnogoth posted:


If anything I think the nationals shouldn't have moved to the new studio - surely a real-life newsroom backdrop is cheaper than meters of TV screens never turned off?


You really do talk some rubbish.

The National bulletins did not move to a new studio in 06 - the N6 set was rebuilt. The last set (03-06) had meters of projector screens with two false newsrooms.

The 99-03 set had a CSO view of the real newsroom - however this was a recording, one side a delayed reflection of the other to make the newsroom appear bigger.

The words statement, water, out of and blown come to mind - i'll leave you to rearrange these.


Sorry - the last set to use CSO in anger was the "Virtual" blue era. This set was introduced when the news studios were on the 6th floor (both BBC One and BBC World had variants of it). This "look" was moved down to the current studio near the current newsroom when that studio opened, and was then replaced with the beige and red look, with a double-projected newsroom backing NOT a CSO.

The original version of the beige look had a live camera in one screen, and a delayed version played in the other screen (with the projector set up to reverse one shot). This was to avoid people seeing two people walking down steps precisely in sync!

Eventually the backdrop was altered, after the TV Centre bombing, and a recorded version introduced, with artworked elements added. This too was delayed in one screen.

This set was given a major update - introducing red elements, and some metallic bits, as well as the ability to hang a real photo blow up across a red panel that had otherwise been an expanse of beige wall (post 9/11)

The second version of this set was retired in early 2003 - just before the Gulf War, and the symmetrical set with three newsroom backing projectors (fed with DVDs usually) and mirrors at either side, combined with two down-the-line/reporter bigscreens introduced. This ran until early 2006, when the current "walls of projector cube" look was introduced.


My apologies about the 99-03 set mistake.
And my apologies - it appears some of what I wrote got lost somehow.

I was trying to say that News 24 moving to the 'walls projector cube' is surely more expensive than their current home. When you consider you still have all the same lighting and production costs, but the added cost of all the screens constantly on as apposed to a glass window.

I just don't see the need for the move. And surely branding (backdrops) will still be an issue when News 24 go back to their old studios for joint BBC World coverage - unless they're planning to use a studio backdrop on the screens... Confused

I apologise for any confusion my earlier post may have caused.
SN
The SNT Three
Hmmm...

£10 for guessing which presenter's in Paris tonight...

It's Tim!
ST
Stuart
Wow, I've just finished reading through about the last 8 pages......quite a few changes in store, although Joe Public probably won't notice.

Lots of "musical chairs" to be had in TC7 then seeing as it's going to be a very busy studio with Breakfast going back in there (and the Six). I don't see them having a problem between Newsround and the Six. When the local elections were on they moved Newsround to N6 and still managed to move the chairs & table out of the way for the Six. It's not rocket science!

The recent simulcast weekends by News 24 from N6 were perhaps a tester, which I thought was handled very well. It was only ever confusing for News 24 viewers because the backdrop kept changing. Having a common/generic backdrop would solve that problem.

George Alligator is going to be abit lonely in TC7 all on his own doing the Six!
KI
kitt22
StuartPlymouth posted:

The recent simulcast weekends by News 24 from N6 were perhaps a tester, which I thought was handled very well. It was only ever confusing for News 24 viewers because the backdrop kept changing. Having a common/generic backdrop would solve that problem.



The only worry I have is that I think it's important they get a 'moving' backdrop in the sence that if it's a 'fake' newsroom it's not just photos of the old N24 one like in the test weekends but its actualy a moving one (ie flickering TV screens, staff walking ect) Because a solid backround could make N24 look a bit slow and boring (not good for Breaking News) Just a thought.
JW
JamesWorldNews
On BBC World, we have a sports programme presented by Gabby Logan. I think it's called Sportsweek, or something. (Can't remember and not interested).

But they have a cracking studio set, predominantly blue, and with excellent lighting. Centre point is a classy circular desk.

I can't help but wish BBC World or News 24 would go for something like this and ditch the newsroom background. It's not really so essential.
SN
snarfu
That desk for the programme (Inside Sport) with Gabby Logan is actually in the one of the main TVC centre studios (like TC7 for BBC News) which is used by BBC Sport and is utilised for various sports programming. The programme is also broadcast on a weekday evening (cannot remember) on BBC One in the UK.

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