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BBC News 24

(January 2007)

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CA
calum141
I just read earlier on that Stuart Flinders has been doing a N24 shift. That's fantastic news, I spent a day with him at North West Tonight and he's a really nice person.

I think he has a similar style to Huw Edwards in terms of presenting. Just my opinion though - hope he becomes a perm. Any clips?
LO
looknorth
News24 posted:
No countdowns at all today. May well have something to do with a certain presenter who requires removal...


She should have never been on the countdown she has never been seen of N24 apart from the six,she never contributed to N24
JO
Joe
looknorth posted:
News24 posted:
No countdowns at all today. May well have something to do with a certain presenter who requires removal...


She should have never been on the countdown she has never been seen of N24 apart from the six,she never contributed to N24


She's a BBC News presenter, that should be enough.
IT
itsrobert Founding member
Jugalug posted:
looknorth posted:
News24 posted:
No countdowns at all today. May well have something to do with a certain presenter who requires removal...


She should have never been on the countdown she has never been seen of N24 apart from the six,she never contributed to N24


She's a BBC News presenter, that should be enough.


So is Gordon Burns. Should he go on the countdown?

I agree with looknorth on this one - Natasha wasn't a News 24 presenter (and I can't ever remember her even making an appearance on the channel) so should not have been included on the countdown. I think this incident really highlights the problem of the countdowns from 2003 onwards. The current ones with personalities date very quickly if one or more of the people featured leave the BBC. Even the countdowns not featuring personalities dated pretty quickly, hence why they have been replaced every year. I still maintain that the best countdown of all time was the 1999-2003 one which was plain red with numbers. It was still as fresh at the end of its run as it was at the start and didn't need to be faffed about with every 12 months.
AN
all new Phil
I've certainly seen Natasha present on News 24 before. She did the slot that Sophie Raworth sometimes does.
RT
rts Founding member
Markymark posted:
rts posted:
[ With something this big, I think it adds to the flavour of the breaking news. What you are seeing is news in action, getting you, the viewer, the information as soon as possible, not wasting time to make everything look beautiful and picture perfect. You simply cannot do that with big stories like this on rolling news channels. Ok, not as big as 9/11 or 7/7, but still a very significant story.


What an extraordinary thing to say. Brown never actually said he was thinking about a snap election, this whole 'story' seems just that, media speculation and hype, the whole thing was a non event from the start.

Which is why it's been getting the vast amount of hours, column inches of coverage? The only extraordinary thing here is if you genuinely believe that this story was cooked up by bored hacks, and had nothing to do with thinking from within Number 10.

Had this really been insignificant, made up, not based on fact, I doubt very much that the Prime Minister would deem it necessary to make his decision clear in a television interview.

Fantastic to see the Dobbie back on our screens. Definately an under-used asset.
GI
gilsta
noggin posted:
gilsta posted:
Surely the Beeb's mistake here was a lack of preperation by not having a spare ear-piece and rifle-mic ready for Andrew when he emerged. It should have been fairly obvious he would be going straight to air.


You are making lots of assumptions there.

1. That the facilities at Downing Street allow for this - they don't always send trucks to that position, and instead often just plug into a wallbox (which may have only a single mic and earpiece connection) and that is all the camera crew will have with them.

2. That there was any degree of warning that Andrew Marr was going to be called in for the interviw. I suspect that the BBC were far more concerned with getting cameras INSIDE Number 10 to record the interview Gordon Brown was about to give than arranging for a separate live facility for afterwards.

In hindsight the best solution would have been to ensure that the rifle mic was able to be picked up, and to then have allowed the Downing Street correspondent to have talked to Andrew rather than the studio... Would have looked much neater, have required no major technical changes, and the Downing St Corr would have had been perfectly capable of interviewing Andrew.


Do the Beeb only get one wallbox Downing Street or would running a second one have required some complex routing to N8?

I agree though the team on the ground must have been pre-occupied with ensuring everything went right for the interview and not thought about what happens after but I'm surprised the gallery hadn't thought of a more effective solution for after, such as the one you describe.
DA
Davidjb Founding member
I thought there was several versions of the countdown available and i don't think they all feature a certain soon to be ex presenter. Surely they do not make major snap presentational changes like this just because someone is leaving? It hardly promotes anything by showing them does it?
JA
jamej
Every version of the countdown features Natasha in the last 15 secs.

The only time I've seen the countdown this weekend its been a 2 second one.
MA
Markymark
rts posted:
Markymark posted:
rts posted:
[ With something this big, I think it adds to the flavour of the breaking news. What you are seeing is news in action, getting you, the viewer, the information as soon as possible, not wasting time to make everything look beautiful and picture perfect. You simply cannot do that with big stories like this on rolling news channels. Ok, not as big as 9/11 or 7/7, but still a very significant story.


What an extraordinary thing to say. Brown never actually said he was thinking about a snap election, this whole 'story' seems just that, media speculation and hype, the whole thing was a non event from the start.

Which is why it's been getting the vast amount of hours, column inches of coverage? The only extraordinary thing here is if you genuinely believe that this story was cooked up by bored hacks, and had nothing to do with thinking from within Number 10.


Maybe, but still a colluded fabrication between the medja and No 10. Still, marginally more newsworthy than ten year old shots of Princess Di in a hotel lift I supose.
NG
noggin Founding member
gilsta posted:
noggin posted:
gilsta posted:
Surely the Beeb's mistake here was a lack of preperation by not having a spare ear-piece and rifle-mic ready for Andrew when he emerged. It should have been fairly obvious he would be going straight to air.


You are making lots of assumptions there.

1. That the facilities at Downing Street allow for this - they don't always send trucks to that position, and instead often just plug into a wallbox (which may have only a single mic and earpiece connection) and that is all the camera crew will have with them.

2. That there was any degree of warning that Andrew Marr was going to be called in for the interviw. I suspect that the BBC were far more concerned with getting cameras INSIDE Number 10 to record the interview Gordon Brown was about to give than arranging for a separate live facility for afterwards.

In hindsight the best solution would have been to ensure that the rifle mic was able to be picked up, and to then have allowed the Downing Street correspondent to have talked to Andrew rather than the studio... Would have looked much neater, have required no major technical changes, and the Downing St Corr would have had been perfectly capable of interviewing Andrew.


Do the Beeb only get one wallbox Downing Street or would running a second one have required some complex routing to N8?

I agree though the team on the ground must have been pre-occupied with ensuring everything went right for the interview and not thought about what happens after but I'm surprised the gallery hadn't thought of a more effective solution for after, such as the one you describe.


Each broadcaster has a wallbox of their own. Some boxes may have more than one set of paths, but it wouldn't be at all routine to use two sound and clean-feed paths for a single live destination - and would almost certainly have gone wrong unless they were treated separatey with a second camera also being used. (Even if extra mics and earpieces were being carried by the crew)

Wallbox live kits are just a small rucksack with earpiece gubbins and a key to unlock the box. They are just taken out by a crew doing a live from that point. It isn't anywhere near the same as using a live truck - and there is no engineer to do this fixing. It is usually just the reporter and camera operator - no sound person.
NG
noggin Founding member
itsrobert posted:

She's a BBC News presenter, that should be enough.


So is Gordon Burns. Should he go on the countdown?

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He isn't - he is a Nations and Regions presenter NOT a BBC News presenter. N&R and News work together but AIUI they aren't the same department. Gordon works for BBC North West NOT BBC News...

Technically I think you'll find that he ISN'T a BBC News presenter...

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I agree with looknorth on this one - Natasha wasn't a News 24 presenter (and I can't ever remember her even making an appearance on the channel) so should not have been included on the countdown. I think this incident really highlights the problem of the countdowns from 2003 onwards. The current ones with personalities date very quickly if one or more of the people featured leave the BBC. Even the countdowns not featuring personalities dated pretty quickly, hence why they have been replaced every year. I still maintain that the best countdown of all time was the 1999-2003 one which was plain red with numbers. It was still as fresh at the end of its run as it was at the start and didn't need to be faffed about with every 12 months.


Natasha appeared on BBC News 24 most nights presenting the Six O'Clock News which is shown on News 24 most evenings. There is no reason why BBC News presenters who appear that regularly on News 24 shouldn't appear on the countdown, after all a lot of the reporters featured appear far LESS regularly...

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