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MA
Magoo
BBC LDN posted:
scottish posted:
There is a certain amount of BBC News 24 continuing and expanding upon ideas used by other news channels. This is not only by venturing into the newsroom but also increasing the amount of outside broadcasts with presenters "at the scene". In the last two weeks Jon Sopel has presented in Rome, back to London, in Westminster, back to Rome and, today, in Longbridge.
I appreciate that many people disagree with me and think that it is a waste of resources, but I really value the effect that is created by presenters going on location and getting close to the action.


Jon Sopel has been bloody awful today at Longbridge. He hasn't asked a single useful question of anyone, his commentary has been repetitive and tiresome, and he's added nothing to the coverage that hasn't already been offered from London.


In fairness I agree and Jon Sopel is not helping my argument !! He does seem not to have a full grasp of the subject which he is not surprising since he has mainly been discussing popes and elections over the last two weeks. I think that it would have been a better idea to send a presenter who has been following the Rover case but it all boils down to who is available at the time.
NE
News24
Maybe it has something to do with being knackered, having done several weeks without a day off, been out to Rome (twice) for the Pope's death and funeral, been out on the Election bus and god knows what else
SP
Spencer
I think a lot of the trouble with having reporters on location is that being 'on the scene' doesn't often benefit them at all. So often you see someone stood in the cold, late at night, in front of an empty building. I refuse to believe they'd be better informed there than they would in a newsroom surrounded by phones, faxes and computers.
BB
BBC LDN
News24 posted:
Maybe it has something to do with being knackered, having done several weeks without a day off, been out to Rome (twice) for the Pope's death and funeral, been out on the Election bus and god knows what else


Well if he's not in a position to do the job properly, send somebody who can. I don't see how "he's knackered" is an acceptable excuse for providing such a poor standard of reporting on a story of massive regional significance, and broader national interest.
CA
cat
Why do they even need a presenter there in the first place? It is not quite on the scale of the Pope dying or a war in the Middle East, is it.

Sounds more like it is being done for style than substance.

I'm getting a bit sick of seeing presenters covering stories on-location, when clearly local correspondents are more informed and have better connections.
CA
cat
scottish posted:
There is a certain amount of BBC News 24 continuing and expanding upon ideas used by other news channels. This is not only by venturing into the newsroom but also increasing the amount of outside broadcasts with presenters "at the scene". In the last two weeks Jon Sopel has presented in Rome, back to London, in Westminster, back to Rome and, today, in Longbridge.
I appreciate that many people disagree with me and think that it is a waste of resources, but I really value the effect that is created by presenters going on location and getting close to the action.


I really must dispute that.

I can rarely think of an 'innovation' that has been seen on news channels that has been done on News 24 before the others. They aren't even expanding on other's ideas, just transposing them on to their own channel.

It's not the case that they're taking other networks' ideas and going forward with them, they're just flat out copying them and playing catch up the next time someone thinks of something interesting to do.

I really cannot think of an example since its launch when News 24 has had the others (specifically Sky) scrambling to keep up... it's pretty much always the other way round. For an organisation as big as the BBC, that's not good enough.
MA
Magoo
cat posted:
scottish posted:
There is a certain amount of BBC News 24 continuing and expanding upon ideas used by other news channels. This is not only by venturing into the newsroom but also increasing the amount of outside broadcasts with presenters "at the scene". In the last two weeks Jon Sopel has presented in Rome, back to London, in Westminster, back to Rome and, today, in Longbridge.
I appreciate that many people disagree with me and think that it is a waste of resources, but I really value the effect that is created by presenters going on location and getting close to the action.


I really must dispute that.

I can rarely think of an 'innovation' that has been seen on news channels that has been done on News 24 before the others. They aren't even expanding on other's ideas, just transposing them on to their own channel.

It's not the case that they're taking other networks' ideas and going forward with them, they're just flat out copying them and playing catch up the next time someone thinks of something interesting to do.

I really cannot think of an example since its launch when News 24 has had the others (specifically Sky) scrambling to keep up... it's pretty much always the other way round. For an organisation as big as the BBC, that's not good enough.


I never said that they introduced their own ideas. Put bluntly what I meant, and what you picked up on cat, is that they are copying other channels' ideas. What I was saying about N24 was not meant to be entirely complimentary
DU
Dunedin
marksi posted:
Dunedin posted:
Media Guardian reporting that News 24 NUJ members will begin "work to rule" next week....this seems utterly bizarre- they haven't balloted their members yet have they?


What makes it bizarre? Staff are not going to do things which they are not contracted to do, and will take their full entitlement of breaks. They will not come in to work on protected days off. Seems a perfectly reasonable thing to do in the circumstances.

You see, if management see that they can, for example, run a channel with one less person then they will - despite the fact that the only reason it carries on as normal is because the people who are left behind do more, take less breaks and will do more overtime.

If anyone disagrees with the action then they simply carry on with coming in on PDOs and don't take breaks.


But like all lefty-unionists they're shooting themselves in the feet (like the firefighters did with their strikes).

If you work for a 24 hour news channel that deals with "Breaking News", the idea that you can have rigid schedules and breaks is clearly stupid. You have to show a degree of flexibility. I appreciate that these workers believe their employers are taking this flexibility for granted, but that's because its an assumed part of the job- it should be taken for granted. By going on work to rule, all they'll demonstrate is that in times without breaking news (95% of the time), their moans and gripes are totally unjustified (just like the firefighters looked stupid when the army were clearly capable of managing without their help). On the 5% of time when news breaks, I'd like to see one of those employees (journalists)actually work to rule and walk away from their desk, walk away from a breaking story- I for one don't see it happening....once more they'll only make themselves look stupid.

Playing the politics of the left NEVER works.
MA
Matrix
News 24 now seem to be using 2 thunderclap's @ the TOTH. They seem to have the main story, then another clap into the rest. Not seen this before on N24.
And on that note, is there any plans to revamp the TOTH. It all seems so slow in comparison with the countdown.

Joel.
MR
mromega
Whats up with the N24 ticker today. It seems to be using Arial.

http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/bbcn24ticker.jpg
BB
BBC LDN
mromega posted:
Whats up with the N24 ticker today. It seems to be using Arial.

http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/bbcn24ticker.jpg


This has been happening a lot lately; it's reverted back to its original state. Strangely, the morning N24 breaks-away from the Breakfast simulcast to cover early party press conferences also invariably use the original graphics set, including the original (subtly different) Tower and the chunky bright orange ticker masthead with the less-weighted font on the ticker.

It's all still Swiss 721 though.
DE
dejay03104
sorry for going off topic a bit, but if i make a seperate topic to do with news 24 ill get an ear full off it!

http://www.thetvroom.com/images-bbcn24/images-2003/count-2c.jpg

Is this the virgin pendilino or voyager or is it even a virgin train?

http://www.thetvroom.com/images-bbcn24/images-2003/count-2b.jpg

(pics from thetvroom.com)

EDIT : if possible what station is it Very Happy

thanks,
dejay Cool

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