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The flags era was always my favourite music ... same people that did the original 5 Live theme!
Nicky, who composed the N24 flags music? Was it George Fenton? Also, did the same person/people do the BBC World flags music, too?
No it wasn't George AFAIK - was a company called the Voice and Music Company (that's off the top of my head so may be slightly wrong). And yes I think they did the World flag music as well.
Just done a quick web search and the composers are Alan Coates and Kim Goody. Their website says they've done stuff for Sky (Littlejohn theme) and they did the original London Tonight theme. Some RM stuff to listen to on the site but only in low quality. (Just listened to the old 5 Live main theme - nice to hear on the station's 11th birthday)
http://www.thevoiceandmusiccompany.com/composition.htm
NickyS
Founding member
itsrobert posted:
NickyS posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Anyone else find this similar to the original Flags era TOTH? The drumbeats in particular...
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Yes - I know it's not a very slick edit, no complaints about it please
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Yes - I know it's not a very slick edit, no complaints about it please
The flags era was always my favourite music ... same people that did the original 5 Live theme!
Nicky, who composed the N24 flags music? Was it George Fenton? Also, did the same person/people do the BBC World flags music, too?
No it wasn't George AFAIK - was a company called the Voice and Music Company (that's off the top of my head so may be slightly wrong). And yes I think they did the World flag music as well.
Just done a quick web search and the composers are Alan Coates and Kim Goody. Their website says they've done stuff for Sky (Littlejohn theme) and they did the original London Tonight theme. Some RM stuff to listen to on the site but only in low quality. (Just listened to the old 5 Live main theme - nice to hear on the station's 11th birthday)
http://www.thevoiceandmusiccompany.com/composition.htm
DU
Yet ANOTHER example of how weather coverage on News24 is getting entirely out of control.
I was making this point in another thread- it is simply unacceptable to devote about 8% of on-air time per hour to the weather forcast when you are meant to be a 24 hour news channel- I really don't care how well it 'rates'.
The example I refer to was last night at 6:55pm as N24 were rightly going with rolling coverage of the latest Earthquake in Sumatra amongst some reports of another tsunami threat.....now I appreciate that there is a need to switch over the presenting and behind the scenes staff at 7pm, but going "we'll have continuing coverage throughout the evening with Peter and Jane....now we'll pause for a weather forcast" simply ISN'T good enough.
Suffice it to say Sky News ran with the story over the top of the hour and gave it the coverage it deserved (ITV were obviously running ads, but their news coverage is irrelevant).
Get it sorted News 24- a 30s summary by the presenters at xx:15, followed by a 1 minute summary after the headlines (in studio) at xx:45....any more than this is simply absurd.
I was making this point in another thread- it is simply unacceptable to devote about 8% of on-air time per hour to the weather forcast when you are meant to be a 24 hour news channel- I really don't care how well it 'rates'.
The example I refer to was last night at 6:55pm as N24 were rightly going with rolling coverage of the latest Earthquake in Sumatra amongst some reports of another tsunami threat.....now I appreciate that there is a need to switch over the presenting and behind the scenes staff at 7pm, but going "we'll have continuing coverage throughout the evening with Peter and Jane....now we'll pause for a weather forcast" simply ISN'T good enough.
Suffice it to say Sky News ran with the story over the top of the hour and gave it the coverage it deserved (ITV were obviously running ads, but their news coverage is irrelevant).
Get it sorted News 24- a 30s summary by the presenters at xx:15, followed by a 1 minute summary after the headlines (in studio) at xx:45....any more than this is simply absurd.
MA
Please tell me your joking. The weather is possible on of News24's most professional aspects. If anything it could do with more Updates on the weather, possibly in the headlines.
It did my head in during the Iraq War having no weather bulletins. I wrote numerouse complaints about the issue.
I think its about striking a right balance. Although you dont like the weather bulletin is proves extremly useful to people such as Farmers and such who have to know whats happening.
Anyway we've new weather changes coming soon so maybe they'll be changes to the presentation format for the channel.
Dunedin posted:
Yet ANOTHER example of how weather coverage on News24 is getting entirely out of control.
I was making this point in another thread- it is simply unacceptable to devote about 8% of on-air time per hour to the weather forcast when you are meant to be a 24 hour news channel- I really don't care how well it 'rates'.
The example I refer to was last night at 6:55pm as N24 were rightly going with rolling coverage of the latest Earthquake in Sumatra amongst some reports of another tsunami threat.....now I appreciate that there is a need to switch over the presenting and behind the scenes staff at 7pm, but going "we'll have continuing coverage throughout the evening with Peter and Jane....now we'll pause for a weather forcast" simply ISN'T good enough.
Suffice it to say Sky News ran with the story over the top of the hour and gave it the coverage it deserved (ITV were obviously running ads, but their news coverage is irrelevant).
Get it sorted News 24- a 30s summary by the presenters at xx:15, followed by a 1 minute summary after the headlines (in studio) at xx:45....any more than this is simply absurd.
I was making this point in another thread- it is simply unacceptable to devote about 8% of on-air time per hour to the weather forcast when you are meant to be a 24 hour news channel- I really don't care how well it 'rates'.
The example I refer to was last night at 6:55pm as N24 were rightly going with rolling coverage of the latest Earthquake in Sumatra amongst some reports of another tsunami threat.....now I appreciate that there is a need to switch over the presenting and behind the scenes staff at 7pm, but going "we'll have continuing coverage throughout the evening with Peter and Jane....now we'll pause for a weather forcast" simply ISN'T good enough.
Suffice it to say Sky News ran with the story over the top of the hour and gave it the coverage it deserved (ITV were obviously running ads, but their news coverage is irrelevant).
Get it sorted News 24- a 30s summary by the presenters at xx:15, followed by a 1 minute summary after the headlines (in studio) at xx:45....any more than this is simply absurd.
Please tell me your joking. The weather is possible on of News24's most professional aspects. If anything it could do with more Updates on the weather, possibly in the headlines.
It did my head in during the Iraq War having no weather bulletins. I wrote numerouse complaints about the issue.
I think its about striking a right balance. Although you dont like the weather bulletin is proves extremly useful to people such as Farmers and such who have to know whats happening.
Anyway we've new weather changes coming soon so maybe they'll be changes to the presentation format for the channel.
IT
OK, so if they ditch the weather forecasts, how do you propose staff change-overs?
itsrobert
Founding member
Dunedin posted:
Yet ANOTHER example of how weather coverage on News24 is getting entirely out of control.
I was making this point in another thread- it is simply unacceptable to devote about 8% of on-air time per hour to the weather forcast when you are meant to be a 24 hour news channel- I really don't care how well it 'rates'.
The example I refer to was last night at 6:55pm as N24 were rightly going with rolling coverage of the latest Earthquake in Sumatra amongst some reports of another tsunami threat.....now I appreciate that there is a need to switch over the presenting and behind the scenes staff at 7pm, but going "we'll have continuing coverage throughout the evening with Peter and Jane....now we'll pause for a weather forcast" simply ISN'T good enough.
Suffice it to say Sky News ran with the story over the top of the hour and gave it the coverage it deserved (ITV were obviously running ads, but their news coverage is irrelevant).
Get it sorted News 24- a 30s summary by the presenters at xx:15, followed by a 1 minute summary after the headlines (in studio) at xx:45....any more than this is simply absurd.
I was making this point in another thread- it is simply unacceptable to devote about 8% of on-air time per hour to the weather forcast when you are meant to be a 24 hour news channel- I really don't care how well it 'rates'.
The example I refer to was last night at 6:55pm as N24 were rightly going with rolling coverage of the latest Earthquake in Sumatra amongst some reports of another tsunami threat.....now I appreciate that there is a need to switch over the presenting and behind the scenes staff at 7pm, but going "we'll have continuing coverage throughout the evening with Peter and Jane....now we'll pause for a weather forcast" simply ISN'T good enough.
Suffice it to say Sky News ran with the story over the top of the hour and gave it the coverage it deserved (ITV were obviously running ads, but their news coverage is irrelevant).
Get it sorted News 24- a 30s summary by the presenters at xx:15, followed by a 1 minute summary after the headlines (in studio) at xx:45....any more than this is simply absurd.
OK, so if they ditch the weather forecasts, how do you propose staff change-overs?
DU
So earthquake coverage gets ditched for a few farmers who happen to be watching News 24 at the time? When weather is available 24/7 via the red button?
As I expressed in the new weather graphics thread- my worry with flyover graphics is that they take longer to express a simple forcast for the entire country- thereby probably lengthening weather forcasts.
Is it really right that a 24 hour news channel spends longer covering weather each day than real business NEWS? It also breaks up the flow of the channel (helped by excessive trailers) because it's not delivered from within the studio.
Matrix posted:
Please tell me your joking. The weather is possible on of News24's most professional aspects. If anything it could do with more Updates on the weather, possibly in the headlines.
It did my head in during the Iraq War having no weather bulletins. I wrote numerouse complaints about the issue.
I think its about striking a right balance. Although you dont like the weather bulletin is proves extremly useful to people such as Farmers and such who have to know whats happening.
Anyway we've new weather changes coming soon so maybe they'll be changes to the presentation format for the channel.
It did my head in during the Iraq War having no weather bulletins. I wrote numerouse complaints about the issue.
I think its about striking a right balance. Although you dont like the weather bulletin is proves extremly useful to people such as Farmers and such who have to know whats happening.
Anyway we've new weather changes coming soon so maybe they'll be changes to the presentation format for the channel.
So earthquake coverage gets ditched for a few farmers who happen to be watching News 24 at the time? When weather is available 24/7 via the red button?
As I expressed in the new weather graphics thread- my worry with flyover graphics is that they take longer to express a simple forcast for the entire country- thereby probably lengthening weather forcasts.
Is it really right that a 24 hour news channel spends longer covering weather each day than real business NEWS? It also breaks up the flow of the channel (helped by excessive trailers) because it's not delivered from within the studio.
CA
The way Sky have been doing it for years.
Presenters A&B, C&D
A&B at the desk.
A&B are due to change over, so A talks whilst B vacates seat for C.
C then talks whilst A vacates seat for D.
C&D at the desk.
Easy.
itsrobert posted:
OK, so if they ditch the weather forecasts, how do you propose staff change-overs?
The way Sky have been doing it for years.
Presenters A&B, C&D
A&B at the desk.
A&B are due to change over, so A talks whilst B vacates seat for C.
C then talks whilst A vacates seat for D.
C&D at the desk.
Easy.
DU
We don't "ditch" forcasts...just reduce them to a proportionally acceptable time of about 2 minutes per hour split between xx:15 and xx:45.
I believe the top of the hour is the most crucial time in news broadcasting...one day Sky News will realise that NOT taking breaks when all the entertainment channels do (just before the TOTH) will allow them to inherit an audience from people flicking channels to avoid adverts. Anyway....
Back to News 24- without a weather forcast at the TOTH, the sequence would be continuous....i.e. news up to xx:59, straight into countdown and TOTH. Staff changeovers (if not possible within the countdown time, would be rolling (rolling news channel after all), occuring in the first few minutes of a new hour.
e.g. Woman A and Man A are coming to the end of their shift. They both do the TOTH at their changeover time. Whilst Woman A does the first story from the desk, there is plenty of time for Man B to join her...as Man B does his first story of the shift, so Woman B replaces Woman A. Simple really. And you're more likely to catch the audience of channel-hoppers at xx:57 who are trying to avoid ads after their programme has finished, but are currently greeted with the bloody weather and then trails AGAIN.
Presenter breaks occur at xx:30, where there should be a short 'break' for a advert/interactive trailer (especially for those missing their weather forcasts), coming back to the headlines as usual.
What happens to the changeover during breaking news I hear you cry? In situations like last night where there is a major news story ongoing, you DON'T have to changeover at 7pm on the dot...run over the TOTH and change at an appropriate time using the scheme outlined above.
I believe these changes would give a lot more flow to the channel, and make it more representative of the news of the day (the cut in weather allows an extra story to be covered per hour).
itsrobert posted:
OK, so if they ditch the weather forecasts, how do you propose staff change-overs?
We don't "ditch" forcasts...just reduce them to a proportionally acceptable time of about 2 minutes per hour split between xx:15 and xx:45.
I believe the top of the hour is the most crucial time in news broadcasting...one day Sky News will realise that NOT taking breaks when all the entertainment channels do (just before the TOTH) will allow them to inherit an audience from people flicking channels to avoid adverts. Anyway....
Back to News 24- without a weather forcast at the TOTH, the sequence would be continuous....i.e. news up to xx:59, straight into countdown and TOTH. Staff changeovers (if not possible within the countdown time, would be rolling (rolling news channel after all), occuring in the first few minutes of a new hour.
e.g. Woman A and Man A are coming to the end of their shift. They both do the TOTH at their changeover time. Whilst Woman A does the first story from the desk, there is plenty of time for Man B to join her...as Man B does his first story of the shift, so Woman B replaces Woman A. Simple really. And you're more likely to catch the audience of channel-hoppers at xx:57 who are trying to avoid ads after their programme has finished, but are currently greeted with the bloody weather and then trails AGAIN.
Presenter breaks occur at xx:30, where there should be a short 'break' for a advert/interactive trailer (especially for those missing their weather forcasts), coming back to the headlines as usual.
What happens to the changeover during breaking news I hear you cry? In situations like last night where there is a major news story ongoing, you DON'T have to changeover at 7pm on the dot...run over the TOTH and change at an appropriate time using the scheme outlined above.
I believe these changes would give a lot more flow to the channel, and make it more representative of the news of the day (the cut in weather allows an extra story to be covered per hour).
IT
The way Sky have been doing it for years.
Presenters A&B, C&D
A&B at the desk.
A&B are due to change over, so A talks whilst B vacates seat for C.
C then talks whilst A vacates seat for D.
C&D at the desk.
Easy.
Sounds a bit more complicated than whaking a weather forecast on and the presenters changing over together. I think News 24 have it perfectly now. I quite like N24 having detailed weather forecasts -- it's better than having to wait until after a BBC1 bulletin.
itsrobert
Founding member
cat posted:
itsrobert posted:
OK, so if they ditch the weather forecasts, how do you propose staff change-overs?
The way Sky have been doing it for years.
Presenters A&B, C&D
A&B at the desk.
A&B are due to change over, so A talks whilst B vacates seat for C.
C then talks whilst A vacates seat for D.
C&D at the desk.
Easy.
Sounds a bit more complicated than whaking a weather forecast on and the presenters changing over together. I think News 24 have it perfectly now. I quite like N24 having detailed weather forecasts -- it's better than having to wait until after a BBC1 bulletin.