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HA
harshy Founding member
noggin posted:
I suspect that the penalty for Sky's system being flexible is that it has more options and thus requires more knowledge to operate?


RE: The TOG system, well it does it's job very well, maybe the backup astons needs to look more like it's TOG counterparts, so viewers(well geeks like us) just don't notice these things.
NG
noggin Founding member
harshy posted:
noggin posted:
I suspect that the penalty for Sky's system being flexible is that it has more options and thus requires more knowledge to operate?


RE: The TOG system, well it does it's job very well, maybe the backup astons needs to look more like it's TOG counterparts, so viewers(well geeks like us) just don't notice these things.


The Aston that is the back up for TOG (and I think provides the location dogs the rest of the time) is a relatively basic model with very limited animation - it certainly couldn't do the animating text effects that TOG does particularly effectively. (It can vector on and off with pushes and slides, but anything that requires the text to change size or animate whilst moving is beyond it)
MA
madmusician
On DTT since at least 9:30 last night (when I got home) there has been a barcode type grey thing at the bottom of the screen. Don't think that it's our box and it is only on News 24, not on BBC One when simulcasting.

Has anybody else got this?
M
M@ Founding member
Yeah, I've got it too.
SN
The SNT Three
Jakarta posted:
Moz posted:
News 24 not simulcasting the Six because a cricket team are getting on a plane! Rolling Eyes


Is that why News 24 Tonight started 10 minutes late?! What a joke.


Nope. They were at a press conference with Tony Blair and the German Chancellor.
BR
Brekkie
alexcs19 posted:
Nope. They were at a press conference with Tony Blair and the German Chancellor.


What, and they interupted coverage of a cricket team getting on a plane for that! It's about time News 24 sorted out their priorities I think!


And for the record, News 24's graphics are appalling!
HA
harshy Founding member
noggin posted:
harshy posted:
noggin posted:
I suspect that the penalty for Sky's system being flexible is that it has more options and thus requires more knowledge to operate?


RE: The TOG system, well it does it's job very well, maybe the backup astons needs to look more like it's TOG counterparts, so viewers(well geeks like us) just don't notice these things.


The Aston that is the back up for TOG (and I think provides the location dogs the rest of the time) is a relatively basic model with very limited animation - it certainly couldn't do the animating text effects that TOG does particularly effectively. (It can vector on and off with pushes and slides, but anything that requires the text to change size or animate whilst moving is beyond it)


So how come the location strap uses the old system and not TOG?
CL
Clapham
TOG is keyed over the N24 output downstream - it's one of the last things to go one before the image is transmitted. The problem with locator straps is that you want them to be linked to the image of the location. If TOG were to add the location strap then it would have to animate on when the vision mixer cuts to the outside source (OS) and animate off as the vision mixer cuts off the OS. Now, TOG could do this, but the vison mixer consoles in N8 aren't able to fire the GPI command to tell TOG to do this. (Partly because the BBC didn't buy the vision mixers that the n8 directors recommended, but that's another story.
ITN do have vision mixers which can fire a GPI command (in their case to VizRT rather than TOG) which is why theirs can animate on and off...

So, the BBC work around is that the locator strap comes off an Aston. This can be keyed over the OS as it comes into the gallery and then the composite image (OS plus locator strap) can be cut up on the vision mixer without the director having to worry that the strap might appear over the studio or another source at some point...
MO
Moz
Clapham posted:
TOG is keyed over the N24 output downstream - it's one of the last things to go one before the image is transmitted. The problem with locator straps is that you want them to be linked to the image of the location. If TOG were to add the location strap then it would have to animate on when the vision mixer cuts to the outside source (OS) and animate off as the vision mixer cuts off the OS. Now, TOG could do this, but the vison mixer consoles in N8 aren't able to fire the GPI command to tell TOG to do this. (Partly because the BBC didn't buy the vision mixers that the n8 directors recommended, but that's another story.
ITN do have vision mixers which can fire a GPI command (in their case to VizRT rather than TOG) which is why theirs can animate on and off...

So, the BBC work around is that the locator strap comes off an Aston. This can be keyed over the OS as it comes into the gallery and then the composite image (OS plus locator strap) can be cut up on the vision mixer without the director having to worry that the strap might appear over the studio or another source at some point...

What a lash up!
HA
harshy Founding member
Clapham posted:
TOG is keyed over the N24 output downstream - it's one of the last things to go one before the image is transmitted. The problem with locator straps is that you want them to be linked to the image of the location. If TOG were to add the location strap then it would have to animate on when the vision mixer cuts to the outside source (OS) and animate off as the vision mixer cuts off the OS. Now, TOG could do this, but the vison mixer consoles in N8 aren't able to fire the GPI command to tell TOG to do this. (Partly because the BBC didn't buy the vision mixers that the n8 directors recommended, but that's another story.
ITN do have vision mixers which can fire a GPI command (in their case to VizRT rather than TOG) which is why theirs can animate on and off...

So, the BBC work around is that the locator strap comes off an Aston. This can be keyed over the OS as it comes into the gallery and then the composite image (OS plus locator strap) can be cut up on the vision mixer without the director having to worry that the strap might appear over the studio or another source at some point...


Thanks for the detailed answer Clapham, it would make sense for the BBC to use the old aston system for the location strap especially if TOG is overlayed.
MO
Moz
A horendous 15 minutes on News 24.

First of all the useless 10-hour newspaper review. No graphics, papers just held up somewhat unenthusiastically by Eakin, who gives up holding them up just as the main camera manages to zoom in. Then follows a five minute review with just one guest (they need more to have any interaction) who just gets into his stride when he's cut off by the weather. Why don't they either do a proper review at 10.35 after sport & business headlines, or leave it til later.

Then rushed headlines from Eakin at 2300 before Katty Kay appears like a rabbit in the headlines and bumbles her way to the first report. How unprofessional does it look when they can't even do a top of the hour when they know lots of people will be watching because they've been trailing it all evening on the 6 and the 10.

Poor. See me!
MA
Matrix
Moz posted:
A horendous 15 minutes on News 24.

First of all the useless 10-hour newspaper review. No graphics, papers just held up somewhat unenthusiastically by Eakin, who gives up holding them up just as the main camera manages to zoom in. Then follows a five minute review with just one guest (they need more to have any interaction) who just gets into his stride when he's cut off by the weather. Why don't they either do a proper review at 10.35 after sport & business headlines, or leave it til later.

Then rushed headlines from Eakin at 2300 before Katty Kay appears like a rabbit in the headlines and bumbles her way to the first report. How unprofessional does it look when they can't even do a top of the hour when they know lots of people will be watching because they've been trailing it all evening on the 6 and the 10.

Poor. See me!


Only topped by Katty Kay's performance on the overnight joint service. Started well with a double headed with Martine in London and Katty in Washington.
Technical problems and wrong cues ensued followed by the repeated failure of live obs, seeming to use video phone technology, which of course, failed to work properly.
Then came the start of the rest of the days news, supposed to be taken by Martine, from Washington. Katty ad-libbed for a time and then the report failed to play. Long face and long cue before Martine appeared and took over, reading the other stories and later repeating the story Katty had started.

It all looked very sloppy.

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