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JW
JamesWorldNews
Matrix posted:
BBC WORLD posted:

But the secondary pres area (The World / WBR, etc....) is often very dull and washed out looking. I think its mainly due to the back drop projection.


I've never understood the point of that backdrop, It looked cheap from day one.

I think the secondary area would benefit from a few changes, enough programmes come from there!


Personally, I don't see why it's needed at all? Why can't WBR and WNT and SR all come from the main desk, with subtle drop-ins (like they have on Asia Today) to brand the programme? I have never at all understood the need for the secondary area at all.
NE
News24
There has been a strange phasing effect on the main 2 shot camera, where the whites strobe frequently from whiter-yellower-whiter-yellower. It may be something as simple as a voltage issue, cable runs conflicting and causing disturbance, camera head fault, auto tracing white balance? Or even a video signal termination problem.

The 'new' look certainly looks a .lot fresher and cleaner, and is a vast improvement, and really helps to use the set to the best of its ability. Maybe a slight tinge of too much blue, but nonetheless, looks great.

Good job!
NE
News24
It's also worth mentioning the much improved camera operating and control on News 24 in the studio recently. There has been some quite artistic and nice looking shots used recently, including an incresed use of the overhead tracking camera, including increased use of its zoom lens ability, some nice ped up and down from the robotic peds, and some nice wides/zoom ins / TOTH work. There was also a nice Breaking News sting yesterday with Jon & Louise where the 2-shot ped cam started out at max wide, and zoomed in and craned down at the same time as the sting was playing out on screen, which looked great.

It's hard work to remotely control cameras (is it the Rademac system in the studio??) when you're not physically touching them, so credit where credit is due.
HA
harshy Founding member
itsrobert posted:
harshy posted:
Media Boy posted:
Bail posted:
I think it's probably just that the cameras have been re-tune,d rather than lighting changes. Broadcast cameras are very different to home cameras and need to know what "white" is etc, as well colour temperatures etc, I suspect they were a little off and have now been sorted.


Yes - the cameras have had some TLC and been racked. There is some debate about the 'blue' levels - but the consensus is that it is a VAST improvement...


I hope you guys sort out World, it looks dark and miserable particularly when World News Tonight is on!


I think BBC World looks fine now. It did go through a dark spell during the latter days of the old set, but since the current set was installed two years ago, I think it has been fine. The second set is slightly darker than the main set but I don't find it distracting at all. Maybe have a look at your brightness and contrast levels on your TV?


Yeap the brightness and contrast is fine itsrobert, it's BBC World's secondary set which is just too dark, it looks very poor really.
HA
harshy Founding member
BBC WORLD posted:
Matrix posted:
BBC WORLD posted:

But the secondary pres area (The World / WBR, etc....) is often very dull and washed out looking. I think its mainly due to the back drop projection.


I've never understood the point of that backdrop, It looked cheap from day one.

I think the secondary area would benefit from a few changes, enough programmes come from there!


Personally, I don't see why it's needed at all? Why can't WBR and WNT and SR all come from the main desk, with subtle drop-ins (like they have on Asia Today) to brand the programme? I have never at all understood the need for the secondary area at all.


That's the problem I think, it's the projection screen, it just dosen't project at all, also you can tell from the newscaster's faces, they look very blur indeed, it's weird really, it only happens on BBC World, it looks like they haven't upgraded their cameras since BBC News 24 started broadcasting there in 1997!
EY
the eye
Can someone please get a cap of World Business Report on News 24 to see if there is any difference in how we World viewers see it.

Ive also noticed that white phasing thingy on news 24 for a long time, I actually thought it was the lightning up until now! not the cameras lol my bad. Embarassed
IT
itsrobert Founding member
bbcworld2005 posted:
Can someone please get a cap of World Business Report on News 24 to see if there is any difference in how we World viewers see it.

Ive also noticed that white phasing thingy on news 24 for a long time, I actually thought it was the lightning up until now! not the cameras lol my bad. Embarassed


There aren't many differences between WBR on BBC News 24 and BBC World. The only differences I can think of are that on News 24 you get it in true widescreen (on BBC World you get it in 14:9) and you get the N24 tower instead of the BBC World tower. You are aware that News 24 merely shows a repeat of the WBR shown on BBC World at 2130GMT? It isn't a different edition. N24 used to have its own business news programme called Business Today but it was scrapped not that long ago.
MA
Matrix
itsrobert posted:
bbcworld2005 posted:
Can someone please get a cap of World Business Report on News 24 to see if there is any difference in how we World viewers see it.

Ive also noticed that white phasing thingy on news 24 for a long time, I actually thought it was the lightning up until now! not the cameras lol my bad. Embarassed


There aren't many differences between WBR on BBC News 24 and BBC World. The only differences I can think of are that on News 24 you get it in true widescreen (on BBC World you get it in 14:9) and you get the N24 tower instead of the BBC World tower. You are aware that News 24 merely shows a repeat of the WBR shown on BBC World at 2130GMT? It isn't a different edition. N24 used to have its own business news programme called Business Today but it was scrapped not that long ago.


Speaking of World Buisness Report, they somehow managed to finish last night's edition at 12.51. It seemed to cut off half-way through a report on Russian foreign policy and then bizarrely jumped to the 'I'm XX in XX, goodbye'

The only pres difference I can see, with regard to World Business Report on News 24, is that you can see the outline of the Word tower build behind the News 24 tower, that and the lack of an ad break.
AN
Ant
Matrix posted:
Speaking of World Buisness Report, they somehow managed to finish last night's edition at 12.51. It seemed to cut off half-way through a report on Russian foreign policy and then bizarrely jumped to the 'I'm XX in XX, goodbye'

What did they show up to 1am? Surely they couldn't show trailers for 8 minutes (if they showed the full countdown)?
IT
itsrobert Founding member
Matrix posted:
itsrobert posted:
bbcworld2005 posted:
Can someone please get a cap of World Business Report on News 24 to see if there is any difference in how we World viewers see it.

Ive also noticed that white phasing thingy on news 24 for a long time, I actually thought it was the lightning up until now! not the cameras lol my bad. Embarassed


There aren't many differences between WBR on BBC News 24 and BBC World. The only differences I can think of are that on News 24 you get it in true widescreen (on BBC World you get it in 14:9) and you get the N24 tower instead of the BBC World tower. You are aware that News 24 merely shows a repeat of the WBR shown on BBC World at 2130GMT? It isn't a different edition. N24 used to have its own business news programme called Business Today but it was scrapped not that long ago.


Speaking of World Buisness Report, they somehow managed to finish last night's edition at 12.51. It seemed to cut off half-way through a report on Russian foreign policy and then bizarrely jumped to the 'I'm XX in XX, goodbye'


That's a strange one. I wonder what happened?

They've actually changed the scheduling of WBR on BBC World recently due to the launch of World News Today. They still have regular live editions throughout the day (even more than there used to be). The main flagship edition was always at 2130 GMT/BST with a presenter in London and one in New York. However, with the launch of World News Today at 2100 GMT/BST, they've cut the 2130 WBR to about 15 minutes in length presented by the London business presenter. It now starts at 2135. They've moved the flagship edition to 2230 now and it is still presented from both London and New York. The 2230 edition is the one that is repeated overnight on both BBC World and BBC News 24. On some occasions they just repeat the first part in a 15-minute slot (I know they do this on BBC World - do they still show it like that on News 24?).
EY
the eye
Can someone get a cap of WBR on n24 anyway? lol
AN
Ant
bbcworld2005 posted:
Can someone get a cap of WBR on n24 anyway? lol

It's just the same but with 'BBC News 24' replacing 'BBC World' on the tower.

I find it hard to believe News 24 don't have access to a clean feed of World. You can see the World tower animating on and off behind 24's and you can very occasionally see News 24's animating off, World's animating off AND a simple BBC News tower behind it all.

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