SP
I wonder if whoever's responsible for such tweaking is using a 4:3 monitor, with the 16:9 graphics stretched anomorphically so they look tall. In this case, the [B][B][C] NEWS 24 lettering as it stands today would probably look right... but just not when shown in the correct aspect ratio.
Incidentally, the old, yellow [B][B][C] SPORT block also used to suffer the same stretchiness.
janeways bun posted:
I can't imagine the logo staying like this for long, looks completely rediculous, even to a general viewer. I can't understand how this sort of error can actually make it to air, unless it looked fine the testing environment they use(!) and f**ked up when deploying it on the live system.
I wonder if whoever's responsible for such tweaking is using a 4:3 monitor, with the 16:9 graphics stretched anomorphically so they look tall. In this case, the [B][B][C] NEWS 24 lettering as it stands today would probably look right... but just not when shown in the correct aspect ratio.
Incidentally, the old, yellow [B][B][C] SPORT block also used to suffer the same stretchiness.
BA
I think we've reached a point where the mocks forum is better than the real thing now:
http://www.lazyorange.net/junk/n24_breaking2.jpg
Bail
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Londoner posted:
Incredible. What a mess. The whole thing looks like a bad mock.
http://www.dolben.demon.co.uk/newschannel/n24gfx1.jpg
http://www.dolben.demon.co.uk/newschannel/n24gfx2.jpg
Let's hope the new Royal Charter will call on the BBC to sort out its graphics...!
http://www.dolben.demon.co.uk/newschannel/n24gfx1.jpg
http://www.dolben.demon.co.uk/newschannel/n24gfx2.jpg
Let's hope the new Royal Charter will call on the BBC to sort out its graphics...!
I think we've reached a point where the mocks forum is better than the real thing now:
http://www.lazyorange.net/junk/n24_breaking2.jpg
AN
Speaking about News 24 graphics in general, it would be nice if/when this revamp occurs that they decide not to continue insulting the viewers' intelligence with the ludicrously sized text on the headline bit of the straps. There's no need!
BB
Really? Because on News 24, they used the previous BBC News Tower (i.e. without the enlarged BBC logo) on both Saturday and Sunday. Why would they use "BBC NEWS" on N24, and "BBC NEWS 24" on BBC ONE?
How does this insult viewers' intelligence? Even if you refuse to accept the explanation that the large headline is designed to be eye-catching, how does large text insult one's intelligence?
I find my intelligence is insulted when I see captions stating the bloody obvious on any news channel, but I can't quite stretch to feeling patronised by enlarged text. By the application of your logic, the channel that most respects its viewers' intelligence is the one with the smallest possible text among its competitors.
My goodness, how very ridiculous.
Brekkie Boy posted:
Also, I guess it has probably been mentioned but at the weekend BBC1 used a BBC News 24 DOG rather than the BBC News DOG.
Really? Because on News 24, they used the previous BBC News Tower (i.e. without the enlarged BBC logo) on both Saturday and Sunday. Why would they use "BBC NEWS" on N24, and "BBC NEWS 24" on BBC ONE?
all new Phil posted:
Speaking about News 24 graphics in general, it would be nice if/when this revamp occurs that they decide not to continue insulting the viewers' intelligence with the ludicrously sized text on the headline bit of the straps.
How does this insult viewers' intelligence? Even if you refuse to accept the explanation that the large headline is designed to be eye-catching, how does large text insult one's intelligence?
I find my intelligence is insulted when I see captions stating the bloody obvious on any news channel, but I can't quite stretch to feeling patronised by enlarged text. By the application of your logic, the channel that most respects its viewers' intelligence is the one with the smallest possible text among its competitors.
My goodness, how very ridiculous.
MO
Do you also think that newspapers using large font sizes for their headlines insult their readers' intelligence, and that all their text should be less than, say, 14 point? When I read a newspaper I scan through first of all looking for headlines that I'm interested in. If the font sizes were all small I wouldn't be able to do that.
I often have News 24 on in the background while I am working on my laptop, reading, listening to music etc. I can glimpse up from across the room and read News 24's headline and if it interests me I can watch. I couldn't do this if you had your way.
Likewise various offices up and down the country have rolling news on in the background, and the large font size makes it possible for them to see what's going on with a glance.
Finally, it's actually become part of News 24's character, something that makes it different from most other news channels.
No, I say keep the large font. I certainly doesn't insult my intelligence, it just makes the service easier to use.
all new Phil posted:
Speaking about News 24 graphics in general, it would be nice if/when this revamp occurs that they decide not to continue insulting the viewers' intelligence with the ludicrously sized text on the headline bit of the straps. There's no need!
Do you also think that newspapers using large font sizes for their headlines insult their readers' intelligence, and that all their text should be less than, say, 14 point? When I read a newspaper I scan through first of all looking for headlines that I'm interested in. If the font sizes were all small I wouldn't be able to do that.
I often have News 24 on in the background while I am working on my laptop, reading, listening to music etc. I can glimpse up from across the room and read News 24's headline and if it interests me I can watch. I couldn't do this if you had your way.
Likewise various offices up and down the country have rolling news on in the background, and the large font size makes it possible for them to see what's going on with a glance.
Finally, it's actually become part of News 24's character, something that makes it different from most other news channels.
No, I say keep the large font. I certainly doesn't insult my intelligence, it just makes the service easier to use.
NE
Could you explain exactly how the size of the text insults viewers' intelligence? While I understand that some people take the reason given for their size (AIUI to attract viewers' attention and to draw attention to silent television screens in offices, hotels etc.) as dubious at best, I can't quite see how you came to the conclusion that they are insulting their viewers intelligence.
Although they are being a bit haphazard with the graphics system lately, in relation to the font thickness, squashiness of the text on the tower, etc.
The black on white ticker is definately an improvement in my mind though.
EDIT: Wow, look at that, three in five mins. I really should type and think faster on here.
all new Phil posted:
Speaking about News 24 graphics in general, it would be nice if/when this revamp occurs that they decide not to continue insulting the viewers' intelligence with the ludicrously sized text on the headline bit of the straps. There's no need!
Could you explain exactly how the size of the text insults viewers' intelligence? While I understand that some people take the reason given for their size (AIUI to attract viewers' attention and to draw attention to silent television screens in offices, hotels etc.) as dubious at best, I can't quite see how you came to the conclusion that they are insulting their viewers intelligence.
Although they are being a bit haphazard with the graphics system lately, in relation to the font thickness, squashiness of the text on the tower, etc.
The black on white ticker is definately an improvement in my mind though.
EDIT: Wow, look at that, three in five mins. I really should type and think faster on here.
AN
But there aren't a selection of stories on News 24 at the same time to choose between, there's just one. That argument doesn't really apply here.
My way? What... make the text smaller? It would still be there, just not so in-your-bloody-face.
I think you're confusing News 24 with Sky News
Even though the idea of in-your-face graphics was a blatent copy of Sky News? What I'm saying *is* to make it different from other channels by reducing the text size. News 24 don't have to rely on catching people's attention, people will always turn to BBC News, they should be providing suitable analysis with appropriate graphics and *in my opinion* the current ones are not really appropriate. Even something like what they have on BBC World, when the headline is half the size of normal, would look better and much neater.
But hey, it's just my opinion. I'm not really a regular watcher of the channel, but the comments I've had back here so far reek of "if the BBC do it, it MUST be right"!
Moz posted:
Do you also think that newspapers using large font sizes for their headlines insult their readers' intelligence, and that all their text should be less than, say, 14 point? When I read a newspaper I scan through first of all looking for headlines that I'm interested in. If the font sizes were all small I wouldn't be able to do that.
But there aren't a selection of stories on News 24 at the same time to choose between, there's just one. That argument doesn't really apply here.
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I often have News 24 on in the background while I am working on my laptop, reading, listening to music etc. I can glimpse up from across the room and read News 24's headline and if it interests me I can watch. I couldn't do this if you had your way.
My way? What... make the text smaller? It would still be there, just not so in-your-bloody-face.
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Likewise various offices up and down the country have rolling news on in the background, and the large font size makes it possible for them to see what's going on with a glance.
I think you're confusing News 24 with Sky News
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Finally, it's actually become part of News 24's character, something that makes it different from most other news channels.
Even though the idea of in-your-face graphics was a blatent copy of Sky News? What I'm saying *is* to make it different from other channels by reducing the text size. News 24 don't have to rely on catching people's attention, people will always turn to BBC News, they should be providing suitable analysis with appropriate graphics and *in my opinion* the current ones are not really appropriate. Even something like what they have on BBC World, when the headline is half the size of normal, would look better and much neater.
But hey, it's just my opinion. I'm not really a regular watcher of the channel, but the comments I've had back here so far reek of "if the BBC do it, it MUST be right"!
NE
Really? I wasn't aware that I was kissing any of the BBC's five arses? I do believe I was asking you to explain why you think oversized text insults viewers' intelligence. If it's your opinion that this is so, then fair enough.
The statement is patently untrue though, in one's own humblest oversized and in caps opinion.
all new Phil posted:
But hey, it's just my opinion. I'm not really a regular watcher of the channel, but the comments I've had back here so far reek of "if the BBC do it, it MUST be right"!
Really? I wasn't aware that I was kissing any of the BBC's five arses? I do believe I was asking you to explain why you think oversized text insults viewers' intelligence. If it's your opinion that this is so, then fair enough.
The statement is patently untrue though, in one's own humblest oversized and in caps opinion.
AN
I was busy typing my reply when you posted that, so I wasn't referring to you
As for why it insults viewers' intelligence... have you ever read a children's book? Big writing... see what I'm getting at? As I have made clear though, this is merely my opinion and I'd thank you all for respecting my interpretation. But, you know, Sky News used to get a lot of flak for using large text on their graphics when, at the time, News 24's was still small. You see where I'm coming from with the "News 24 are doing it so it MUST be right" comment?
Noelfirl posted:
Really? I wasn't aware that I was kissing any of the BBC's five arses? I do believe I was asking you to explain why you think oversized text insults viewers' intelligence. If it's your opinion that this is so, then fair enough.
The statement is patently untrue though, in one's own humblest oversized and in caps opinion.
The statement is patently untrue though, in one's own humblest oversized and in caps opinion.
I was busy typing my reply when you posted that, so I wasn't referring to you
As for why it insults viewers' intelligence... have you ever read a children's book? Big writing... see what I'm getting at? As I have made clear though, this is merely my opinion and I'd thank you all for respecting my interpretation. But, you know, Sky News used to get a lot of flak for using large text on their graphics when, at the time, News 24's was still small. You see where I'm coming from with the "News 24 are doing it so it MUST be right" comment?
BB
Actually, I'd say what you've had back here is three intelligent people all questioning such an utterly foolish statement.
I'm certainly not saying that it's wrong for you not to like the large headlines, nor am I saying that because the BBC is doing it, it must be right - you only have to look through my post history to see that I'm perfectly capable of criticising the BBC when it's appropriate, just as I'm happy to give credit to its rivals. My comments simply questioned how a large headline could be viewed to insult viewers' intelligence.
Would you therefore say that a news channel with very small text on screen would be extremely respectful of viewers' intelligence? If ITVNC had decided that it would break with tradition and cram all its onscreen furniture into one tenth of the screen height, would thousands of insulted BBC viewers have flocked to ITVNC, finally delighted to have found a news channel that treats them as true intellectuals even though they now have to squint to see the writing?
Yes, that example is every bit as ridiculous as your assertion that big writing = insult to viewers' intelligence.
You may not like the big headlines, and I respect your opinion on that - however little you may care - but there is no logic to the concept that a big headline is intellectually patronising. If you can't see that, and feel the need to defend such a foolish notion by insisting that anyone who disagrees with you must be a card-carrying member of the BBC Brigade, that's your problem and no-one else's.
all new Phil posted:
But hey, it's just my opinion. I'm not really a regular watcher of the channel, but the comments I've had back here so far reek of "if the BBC do it, it MUST be right"!
Actually, I'd say what you've had back here is three intelligent people all questioning such an utterly foolish statement.
I'm certainly not saying that it's wrong for you not to like the large headlines, nor am I saying that because the BBC is doing it, it must be right - you only have to look through my post history to see that I'm perfectly capable of criticising the BBC when it's appropriate, just as I'm happy to give credit to its rivals. My comments simply questioned how a large headline could be viewed to insult viewers' intelligence.
Would you therefore say that a news channel with very small text on screen would be extremely respectful of viewers' intelligence? If ITVNC had decided that it would break with tradition and cram all its onscreen furniture into one tenth of the screen height, would thousands of insulted BBC viewers have flocked to ITVNC, finally delighted to have found a news channel that treats them as true intellectuals even though they now have to squint to see the writing?
Yes, that example is every bit as ridiculous as your assertion that big writing = insult to viewers' intelligence.
You may not like the big headlines, and I respect your opinion on that - however little you may care - but there is no logic to the concept that a big headline is intellectually patronising. If you can't see that, and feel the need to defend such a foolish notion by insisting that anyone who disagrees with you must be a card-carrying member of the BBC Brigade, that's your problem and no-one else's.