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BB
BBC LDN
Moz posted:
Please can we have some captures?

EDIT: Well while we wait for the captures, and based on the information so far, I'll say this: The Guardian recently had a bit of a make-over, and one big change was the new font. It's a lot finer than their previous 'blocky' font, and initially I thought it lacked impact. Now however, I've grown to love it. It really does stand out as it's clear and neat. Less is more, as they say. Perhaps the reason people aren't liking the new News 24 font is because they're 'used to' the old one, and it looks strange. Same goes for the larger BBC (I've always thought they should make that bigger as it used to be hardly visible).

I presume these new graphics will be introduced across all BBC One news as well now so it all fits together?


I think you're seriously overestimating the scale of the changes. All of the animation is identical, and I think it's fair to say that there have been no hardware changes, so I suspect it's very much wishful thinking to expect anything to change on the National, given that all that's really changed are a couple of font weights and some colours.

I think comparing these relatively minor updates with the complete and total radical overhaul of The Guardian is a nonsense, though I appreciate that you're feeling in the dark a bit given that you've not seen the changes.

The specific changes are:

Arrow Change of headline bar font to a thinner weight
Arrow Colour of ticker background changed to white with black text
Arrow Ticker mast now black with white text for all titles
Arrow Removal of BBC SPORT ticker mast
Arrow Larger BBC logo on Tower; no repositioning of complete stacked logo, hence the slightly disproportionate appearance

And I think that's pretty much it.

The Guardian was completely changed - from the font and layout right down to the size of the paper itself. The only thing that remained in tact was the journalism itself. The Guardian's overhaul could be likened to the new look for N24 in December 2003. Today's updates are nowhere near that level of change, despite being immediately noticeable.

..........

And I agree - the panda banter (or lack of it...!) was very amusing. Complete silence apart from occasional "awww" noises from Simon, which continued until Carrie said "Simon is particularly articulate on pandas today." More silence ensued, before Simon reeled off some bulletpoints, to which Carrie countered "this is such useful information that you're giving to us". A few more seconds of near silence as Simon tittered offscreen, before Carrie chimed in with "...and that's why we're RTS News Channel Of The Year", which was met with much giggling from Simon, and from off camera as well. The laughter continued for another 30 seconds, fuelled by almost inaudible comments from off camera, by which point Simon couldn't control himself enough to hand off to the weather. The last we saw was both Carrie and Simon giggling, along with more laughter from around the set, before we were rudely transferred to the weather.

All good fun.
SJ
sjdavis
I suspect the change in the ticker was all about getting more text on the bar. Previously the font was so thick in weight that it only managed about 4/5 words on screen at any time - so frustrating, especially as I'm a fast reader - I constantly used to find myself reading the ticker, switching my vision back at the main picture again, and then back to the ticker - so much eye movement that I could only put up with about 5 minutes of News 24.

This is much better IMHO.
MO
Moz
BBC LDN posted:
I think you're seriously overestimating the scale of the changes. All of the animation is identical, and I think it's fair to say that there have been no hardware changes, so I suspect it's very much wishful thinking to expect anything to change on the National, given that all that's really changed are a couple of font weights and some colours.

I've just managed to get to a digital TV and seen it, and it's just as I imagined from descriptions here. All I meant from it fitting in with the 'nationals' was a guess at the reason for the change, and the upcoming simulcasting.

BBC LDN posted:
I think comparing these relatively minor updates with the complete and total radical overhaul of The Guardian is a nonsense.

I didn't compare it with the complete overhaul, I just compared the change in font weight - quite clear if you'd read what I said properly!

Having now seen it, I think I was right. It is clearer now with reduced weight text. I like it! The ticker colour is far better, though I'd agree that the blue spinny bit needs to be changed to red.

One other thing - I'd bring back the bold text for breaking news. That way there'd be a change in font weight and background colour to flag breaking news, not just colour. (It'd also fit in better with the clip of the breaking news strap on the countdown!!!)
NE
News24
I've also noticed they've managed to revert to their usual 24 titles, i.e. headline text spinning around the globe, having rendered the 'RTS News Channel of the Year' to the bottom.
AJ
AJSR
I quite like the changes. I still hate the ticker... but I understand why it is there, and I assume N24 have done their research and know that the majority like it.

I just find it distracting... very rarely is there so much happening that we need two different things fed at us at the same time. I much preferred it when it was saved for special occasions. I know the tiny slip of space freed up by removing makes little difference, but for me it makes the graphics less oppressive, but because it shows the bottom of the picture it makes the whole page feel lighter.

Perhaps one day it could be developed into an BBCi type overlay that could be switched off if desired. I've always hoped that at some point in the future evolution of news channels (and sat/dtt receivers) that the viewer would have some level of control over the extra information fed graphically on screen - to be able to choose more/less detail and the type of information fed into certain screen areas.
AN
all new Phil
AJSR posted:
Perhaps one day it could be developed into an BBCi type overlay that could be switched off if desired. I've always hoped that at some point in the future evolution of news channels (and sat/dtt receivers) that the viewer would have some level of control over the extra information fed graphically on screen - to be able to choose more/less detail and the type of information fed into certain screen areas.

That is indeed an excellent idea. I really like what Soccer Saturday do on Sky Sports where you can choose which scores you see on the right hand panel by pressing red, and indeed on Bloomberg's interactive service where it covers all the usual on-screen stuff with what you choose. Something along these lines would be excellent, although the only problem is having to set it up when you first switch to the channel. It's no good for channel hoppers like me!

Maybe these changes are somewhat inspired by CNN's new minimalist look, what with someone saying about BBC World asking viewers' thoughts on it? OK so they still aren't exactly minimalist, but they are certainly a step in that direction... will be interesting to see how much they copy... erm I mean take inspiration from this Laughing
BB
BBC LDN
Moz posted:
BBC LDN posted:
I think comparing these relatively minor updates with the complete and total radical overhaul of The Guardian is a nonsense.

I didn't compare it with the complete overhaul, I just compared the change in font weight - quite clear if you'd read what I said properly!


Clearly, I assumed that you were making a comparison with the broader Guardian revamp, and that was my mistake - although the change in the Guardian's font itself wasn't just "a change in font weight". It was a dramatically different font that formed an integral part of the broader new look. If The Guardian's font change had merely been a thinner weight, the impact of the change wouldn't have been as great.

I do agree with you on the point of reintroducing the heavier weight for the breaking news supers. I was always disappointed that they never used red text on a white background for breaking news - that would have stood out far better than a slighly brighter red. They actually used red on white for a short-lived "coming up" graphic, and I thought it looked quite good. I'm pleased to see that Sky News have made red on white for breaking news their thing now though. I think you suggested the same thing a few months back. In the absence of that now though, I'd agree that the chunk-o-rama font should return for breaking news, if they insist on keeping the thinner weight for standard supers.

I think I've also worked out why the larger BBC logo is bugging me: previously, the logo was approximately the same size as the BBC logos on the channel identity boxes. Now, it's obviously larger than the other channel boxed logos, and it just makes me think that it looks out of place. That, and the complete logo still looks a bit too high up in the Tower.

Ah well, perhaps it's as you say, and we'll soon all be accustomed to these little things that seem to matter so much today!
MO
Moz
BBC LDN posted:
...and the complete logo still looks a bit too high up in the Tower

It does, yes. I think they do that so there's a gap where you can see the globe. Otherwise I'm not sure how clear the globe would be, but to me the correct spacing is more important than seeing the globe. I'd actually include some swirling ribbons around the globe and space the logo & clock better.

EDIT: In fact I did do a mock of a 'better' Tower a while ago, and I think it'd fit in even better now they have a black and white ticker...

http://www.explorerswales.escouts.net/newtower.gif

http://www.explorerswales.escouts.net/newTOG.jpg

(the ribbons would animate really slowly such as not to distract the viewer too much)
BR
Brekkie
It's a gripe I've not had here for a while but surely the changes to the News 24 schedule and introduction of simulcast bulletins throughout the day deserve better than page 212 of a generic thread!


It's no surprise with the simulcasts - and as I've always said the issue of breaking news isn't as important as people make out. If it's important it'll be included in the BBC1 bulletin - if it isn't there is no harm waiting till half past!

Same goes for press conferences etc. - let Sky show them. I'm fed up of the number of times you get the same press conference being shown on each news channel, when all you want is the actual news!

I've also said for ages it was stupid at 1pm how News 24 just did a regular news summary with signing when instead they could show the 1pm bulletin with signing - which I assume they'll do now .

One thing I'll add about the simulcasts is if they are going to have the "Six o'clock News Hour" they need to do a much better job - essentially presentation wise - than they have at 10pm.

And while I have no problem with weekday simulcasts, I hope they don't simulcast the weekend problems as the irregularity of the scheduiling really does cause problems.

(P.S. Don't like the new ticker or font much at all!)
NE
News24
Interesting graphic just then - a live text feed from the courtroom, delivering the verdict on the Deepcut death. It meant that the tower, ticker and slugs had to be animated off, but it was done cleanly and all graphics were back up straight afterwards. Very efficient, and great use of technology to get that live transcript.
AS
Asa Admin
News24 posted:
great use of technology to get that live transcript.

Really? Wasn't it possible to make the transcript graphic-safe or at least Tower safe?

Don't like the ticker - very distracting now it's a big white slab. My eyes keep being drawn to it. It's all a pretty minor change those - fair enough about the font change but the channel logo graphic just looks 'wrong' now
SP
Spencer
And what's the betting it all goes back to normal on Saturday morning when someone realises they haven't updated TOG's settings for the Breakfast simulcast?

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