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HA
harshy Founding member
Dunedin posted:
BBC WORLD posted:

To say that BBC World is second rate to News 24 is a very bizarre statement. However, everyone ie entitled to their opinions.

James


I disagree on the statements about pay and presenting ability, but BBC World is very much second rate to News 24, both in terms of budget and importance for the BBC.


Yep it sadly shows these days Sad
DU
Dunedin
harshy posted:
Dunedin posted:
BBC WORLD posted:

To say that BBC World is second rate to News 24 is a very bizarre statement. However, everyone ie entitled to their opinions.

James


I disagree on the statements about pay and presenting ability, but BBC World is very much second rate to News 24, both in terms of budget and importance for the BBC.


Yep it sadly shows these days Sad


Why sadly?

Do people across the world pay a license fee for BBC World?

Do I pay a license fee for News 24?

What channel do you think I (and most British people) want the BBC to devote more attention to?

BBC World is something to be proud of in its existence, but not something that the BBC should be overly concerned with developing. That shows with the chosen schedule and budget allocation.
HA
harshy Founding member
Dunedin posted:
harshy posted:
Dunedin posted:
BBC WORLD posted:

To say that BBC World is second rate to News 24 is a very bizarre statement. However, everyone ie entitled to their opinions.

James


I disagree on the statements about pay and presenting ability, but BBC World is very much second rate to News 24, both in terms of budget and importance for the BBC.


Yep it sadly shows these days Sad


Why sadly?


Hello Dunedin, yes what I should have said was that the presentation of the channel used to hide the fact that the budget allocated for the channel is low, but now it does look like a cheap imitation of BBC News 24, I still think the BBC should be proud of BBC World, especially in Asia.
HA
harshy Founding member
harshy posted:
Dunedin posted:
harshy posted:
Dunedin posted:
BBC WORLD posted:

To say that BBC World is second rate to News 24 is a very bizarre statement. However, everyone ie entitled to their opinions.

James


I disagree on the statements about pay and presenting ability, but BBC World is very much second rate to News 24, both in terms of budget and importance for the BBC.


Yep it sadly shows these days Sad


Why sadly?


Hello Dunedin, yes what I should have said was that the presentation of the channel used to hide the fact that the budget allocated for the channel is low, but now it does look like a cheap imitation of BBC News 24, I still think the BBC should be proud of BBC World, especially in Asia.


Dunedin posted:
What channel do you think I (and most British people) want the BBC to devote more attention to?
Obviously BBC News 24, it's a licence fee channel, we pay it, therefore that is the top priority, which I am glad of, because two years ago it felt like the opposite!
MA
Matrix
harshy posted:
harshy posted:
Dunedin posted:
harshy posted:
Dunedin posted:
BBC WORLD posted:

To say that BBC World is second rate to News 24 is a very bizarre statement. However, everyone ie entitled to their opinions.

James


I disagree on the statements about pay and presenting ability, but BBC World is very much second rate to News 24, both in terms of budget and importance for the BBC.


Yep it sadly shows these days Sad


Why sadly?


Hello Dunedin, yes what I should have said was that the presentation of the channel used to hide the fact that the budget allocated for the channel is low, but now it does look like a cheap imitation of BBC News 24, I still think the BBC should be proud of BBC World, especially in Asia.


Dunedin posted:
What channel do you think I (and most British people) want the BBC to devote more attention to?
Obviously BBC News 24, it's a licence fee channel, we pay it, therefore that is the top priority, which I am glad of, because two years ago it felt like the opposite!


Well said.

Watching BBC World I'm amazed how my opinions have changed. I was all in favour of dropping News 24 a few years ago but it really has turned itself around now - I've just seen the HIV Report with correspondent's linking to each other around the world and baiscally I'm impressed.
TV
archiveTV
Dunedin posted:
harshy posted:
Dunedin posted:
BBC WORLD posted:

To say that BBC World is second rate to News 24 is a very bizarre statement. However, everyone ie entitled to their opinions.

James


I disagree on the statements about pay and presenting ability, but BBC World is very much second rate to News 24, both in terms of budget and importance for the BBC.


Yep it sadly shows these days Sad


Why sadly?

Do people across the world pay a license fee for BBC World?

Do I pay a license fee for News 24?

What channel do you think I (and most British people) want the BBC to devote more attention to?

BBC World is something to be proud of in its existence, but not something that the BBC should be overly concerned with developing. That shows with the chosen schedule and budget allocation.


It's all about money with you isn't it.

BBC World is incredibly important to the BBC and to the reputation of Britain abroad. If you go to many countries in Asia and say you are from the UK they will answer ah yes BBC.
If the government had any sense they would fund the channel from the Foreign office in the same way as BBC World Service radio.
The BBC does more to promote British ideals and values than many official government organisations.
CA
cat
There were plans floating around a while ago for the Foreign Office to provide funding for BBC World in a similar way to the World Service.

Not really sure what became of it, but I remember CNN and Sky complained furiously about the idea.

And of course this new Arabic Service TV network going head-to-head with al-Jazeera (the irony is almost unbelievable, given that al-Jazeera only exists because of the old BBC Arabic TV station) is going to be funded from the Foreign Office, sadly at the expense of a fair few WS stations.

To be honest, I imagine much of the ''ahh BBC'' recognition you talk of comes from the World Service, not World on TV. That said, it's still an important product.
TV
archiveTV
cat posted:
There were plans floating around a while ago for the Foreign Office to provide funding for BBC World in a similar way to the World Service.

Not really sure what became of it, but I remember CNN and Sky complained furiously about the idea.

And of course this new Arabic Service TV network going head-to-head with al-Jazeera (the irony is almost unbelievable, given that al-Jazeera only exists because of the old BBC Arabic TV station) is going to be funded from the Foreign Office, sadly at the expense of a fair few WS stations.

To be honest, I imagine much of the ''ahh BBC'' recognition you talk of comes from the World Service, not World on TV. That said, it's still an important product.


Indeed the old BBC Arabic TV service folded because it was being run with backing from a Saudi organisation, who pulled the plug on the money when the BBC broadcast something it didn't like. So all the BBC trained journalists went off and started Al Jazeera.

Had the then Tory government had the foresight to fund the station out of the foreign office budget then the BBC would be one of the biggest Arabic TV broadcasters by now. Still maybe George Bush would have decided to bomb TVC in that scenario.

The ahh BBC factor does come mainly from radio and mainly from the foreign language broadcasts which many in countries like China rely on for the only source of unbiased reporting.

At more and more in the developed world get access to Internet services and satellite television BBC World will become more and more important. Especially as every young person in the developing world is trying to learn english
DU
Dunedin
archiveTV posted:


It's all about money with you isn't it.

BBC World is incredibly important to the BBC and to the reputation of Britain abroad. If you go to many countries in Asia and say you are from the UK they will answer ah yes BBC.
If the government had any sense they would fund the channel from the Foreign office in the same way as BBC World Service radio.
The BBC does more to promote British ideals and values than many official government organisations.


As I said before BBC World is very important for the global image of Britain and the BBC. But that doesn't mean it's that much of a news priority for the BBC.

This is partly because (let's not forget this as many do), World is not actually a news channel....it schedule revolves around news but covers programmes as diverse as Holiday and Top Gear every day of the week....things you'd never see on News 24.

Walk into the Director of News' office and ask him which is his news priority.

Or the DG. Or the governors.

We're in the process of license renewal and part of securing the best deal is News 24's ability to call itself "the UK's leading 24 hour news channel".

News 24's the big daddy, even if World broadcasts to billions.

That's why it gets over 4 times as much money. So yes- money is quite important.
PH
Phen
The fact that BBC World's presentation is going downhill is not really that relevant when it comes to the BBC's worldwide image because most of World's viewers wouldn't have access to N24 anyway so they don't know how good the presentation should actually be.

BBC World does give off an air of grandeur to non-British viewers. It kinda says "we're the BBC and we're great and we can run a news channel just for non-nationals and ex-pats as well as our own terrestrial channels all at the one time".

In all fairness, the BBC (and to some extent BBC World) is something that British people can be proud of.
MA
Matrix
Phen posted:


BBC World does give off an air of grandeur to non-British viewers. It kinda says "we're the BBC and we're great and we can run a news channel just for non-nationals and ex-pats as well as our own terrestrial channels all at the one time".


So, it was you that wrote the channel brief...
PH
Phen
Matrix posted:
So, it was you that wrote the channel brief...


???

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