SP
Are both mics on a double tie-clip mic on seperate cables and hence different channels on the mixer or does it automatically change over if one fails?
TE
Often wondered this too - though I presume they're cabled differently...?
Sorry Marcus, but how can a newsreader 'forget' to put on the extra mic?
No 1 because they're professional newsreaders and it is the fist thing they attend to upon sitting down and
No 2 both mics are permanently on the same clip so there's no problem
The fact that many news stations including Ch 4 use them for presenters (whatever about guests) suggests this is not the reason BBC News do not use them.
The BBC use them for other programmes.
Don't get me wrong though, the single mic looks much better.
Sorry Marcus, but how can a newsreader 'forget' to put on the extra mic?
No 1 because they're professional newsreaders and it is the fist thing they attend to upon sitting down and
No 2 both mics are permanently on the same clip so there's no problem
The fact that many news stations including Ch 4 use them for presenters (whatever about guests) suggests this is not the reason BBC News do not use them.
The BBC use them for other programmes.
Don't get me wrong though, the single mic looks much better.
TE
RTÉ brought them in 2000, upon a glossy desk surface being introduced that they didn't want cluttered with back-ups.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/RTE1TV/AnneTilt.jpg
In Ireland there's something of a 'facing up' tradition, whereas the UK tends to face the mics down, with a loop of wire extending over the top in a hump
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/RTE1TV/AnneTilt.jpg
In Ireland there's something of a 'facing up' tradition, whereas the UK tends to face the mics down, with a loop of wire extending over the top in a hump
MA
Because they are human and humans forget sometimes. Im talking about the ones on News24 or World here where they are on and off the set for a three hour period and there is no sound person on the studio floor to make sure the mic is on. Most fully manned studios would have someone just to check the sound side of things on the studio floor
Marcus
Founding member
Telefís posted:
Often wondered this too - though I presume they're cabled differently...?
Sorry Marcus, but how can a newsreader 'forget' to put on the extra mic?
No 1 because they're professional newsreaders and it is the fist thing they attend to upon sitting down and
No 2 both mics are permanently on the same clip so there's no problem
The fact that many news stations including Ch 4 use them for presenters (whatever about guests) suggests this is not the reason BBC News do not use them.
The BBC use them for other programmes.
Don't get me wrong though, the single mic looks much better.
Sorry Marcus, but how can a newsreader 'forget' to put on the extra mic?
No 1 because they're professional newsreaders and it is the fist thing they attend to upon sitting down and
No 2 both mics are permanently on the same clip so there's no problem
The fact that many news stations including Ch 4 use them for presenters (whatever about guests) suggests this is not the reason BBC News do not use them.
The BBC use them for other programmes.
Don't get me wrong though, the single mic looks much better.
Because they are human and humans forget sometimes. Im talking about the ones on News24 or World here where they are on and off the set for a three hour period and there is no sound person on the studio floor to make sure the mic is on. Most fully manned studios would have someone just to check the sound side of things on the studio floor
CU
It may have something to do with the fact that when they are facing upwards you can distinctly hear when a presenter has looked down at their papers or a monitor etc. The sound of their voice (unsurprisingly) gets louder. Facing them downwards prevents this being so noticeable. Maybe a TV director (or whatever) hasn't noticed in Ireland yet?
(Or am I the only one that notices this?)
Telefís posted:
In Ireland there's something of a 'facing up' tradition, whereas the UK tends to face the mics down, with a loop of wire extending over the top in a hump
It may have something to do with the fact that when they are facing upwards you can distinctly hear when a presenter has looked down at their papers or a monitor etc. The sound of their voice (unsurprisingly) gets louder. Facing them downwards prevents this being so noticeable. Maybe a TV director (or whatever) hasn't noticed in Ireland yet?
(Or am I the only one that notices this?)
TE
No you're spot on - often noticed this too . In Ireland we're a bit well, y'know..........
There'a whole art to lapel mic use that's fascinated me for years!
Still don't know where the BBC News back-ups are - would love to find out if anyone knows; it's been annnoying me since they launched!
You could always see them clearly on the lovely cruely axed (sob) 1999 set:
http://thetvroom.com/images-bbc-one-news/news-99/news-day/bh-f.jpg
www.thetvroom.com
Here's Anna Ford breaking the tradition with an uppey mic:
http://thetvroom.com/images-bbc-one-news/news-03/one/main-5.jpg
www.thetvroom.com
That's another thing, lighter coloured mics wouldn't go amiss for lighter clothes - probably practically impossible to be changing them all the time, but they would look better.
On Graham Norton's last few series from the London Studios they all used silver mics that I've never seen anywhere else - they worked very well on lighter clothes.
. In Ireland we're a bit well, y'know..........
There'a whole art to lapel mic use that's fascinated me for years!
Still don't know where the BBC News back-ups are - would love to find out if anyone knows; it's been annnoying me since they launched!
You could always see them clearly on the lovely cruely axed (sob) 1999 set:
http://thetvroom.com/images-bbc-one-news/news-99/news-day/bh-f.jpg
www.thetvroom.com
Here's Anna Ford breaking the tradition with an uppey mic
:
http://thetvroom.com/images-bbc-one-news/news-03/one/main-5.jpg
www.thetvroom.com
That's another thing, lighter coloured mics wouldn't go amiss for lighter clothes - probably practically impossible to be changing them all the time, but they would look better.
On Graham Norton's last few series from the London Studios they all used silver mics that I've never seen anywhere else - they worked very well on lighter clothes.
ST
Sian
couch_potato posted:
who did the six o'clock news tonight along with George? Was it still Jane Hill?
Sian
GS
It may have something to do with the fact that when they are facing upwards you can distinctly hear when a presenter has looked down at their papers or a monitor etc. The sound of their voice (unsurprisingly) gets louder. Facing them downwards prevents this being so noticeable. Maybe a TV director (or whatever) hasn't noticed in Ireland yet? (Or am I the only one that notices this?)
I've had sound engineers (in theatres) tell me they prefer me to wear mine pointing down to stop 'popping'. I'm a trained actor though, so I can assure you I *don't* pop.
Newsreading requires very much less voice, and I suspect with the pick-up pattern on the capsules they use it makes very little difference which way they wear them.
Gavin Scott
Founding member
cummig20 posted:
Telefís posted:
In Ireland there's something of a 'facing up' tradition, whereas the UK tends to face the mics down, with a loop of wire extending over the top in a hump
It may have something to do with the fact that when they are facing upwards you can distinctly hear when a presenter has looked down at their papers or a monitor etc. The sound of their voice (unsurprisingly) gets louder. Facing them downwards prevents this being so noticeable. Maybe a TV director (or whatever) hasn't noticed in Ireland yet?
(Or am I the only one that notices this?)
I've had sound engineers (in theatres) tell me they prefer me to wear mine pointing down to stop 'popping'. I'm a trained actor though, so I can assure you I *don't* pop.
Newsreading requires very much less voice, and I suspect with the pick-up pattern on the capsules they use it makes very little difference which way they wear them.
TE
What certainly makes a difference is what lapel you wear it on.
I was rather surprised at Fiona Bruce last night having it on her right lapel (camera left), as when the newsreader turns to the in-studio monitor to have a chat with Andy, the mic should be on camera right to pick up the projected newsreader's voice to that side.
Alas Fiona did not have it correct so you could hear her voice echoing round the studio as the mic had no definite sound to 'cling on to' as it were - her voice being projected in the opposite direction.
And it's not as if there was a studio interview later for her to have the mic on that side - surprising for the BBC.
She was the same last night, if not all the time...
I was rather surprised at Fiona Bruce last night having it on her right lapel (camera left), as when the newsreader turns to the in-studio monitor to have a chat with Andy, the mic should be on camera right to pick up the projected newsreader's voice to that side.
Alas Fiona did not have it correct so you could hear her voice echoing round the studio as the mic had no definite sound to 'cling on to' as it were - her voice being projected in the opposite direction.
And it's not as if there was a studio interview later for her to have the mic on that side - surprising for the BBC.
She was the same last night, if not all the time...
JA
It may have something to do with the fact that when they are facing upwards you can distinctly hear when a presenter has looked down at their papers or a monitor etc. The sound of their voice (unsurprisingly) gets louder. Facing them downwards prevents this being so noticeable. Maybe a TV director (or whatever) hasn't noticed in Ireland yet? (Or am I the only one that notices this?)
I've had sound engineers (in theatres) tell me they prefer me to wear mine pointing down to stop 'popping'. I'm a trained actor though, so I can assure you I *don't* pop.
So they don't stick yours onto your cheeks with masking tape then Gav?
I refused to have that done. I wore a clip.
Gavin Scott posted:
cummig20 posted:
Telefís posted:
In Ireland there's something of a 'facing up' tradition, whereas the UK tends to face the mics down, with a loop of wire extending over the top in a hump
It may have something to do with the fact that when they are facing upwards you can distinctly hear when a presenter has looked down at their papers or a monitor etc. The sound of their voice (unsurprisingly) gets louder. Facing them downwards prevents this being so noticeable. Maybe a TV director (or whatever) hasn't noticed in Ireland yet?
(Or am I the only one that notices this?)
I've had sound engineers (in theatres) tell me they prefer me to wear mine pointing down to stop 'popping'. I'm a trained actor though, so I can assure you I *don't* pop.
So they don't stick yours onto your cheeks with masking tape then Gav?
I refused to have that done. I wore a clip.
GS
Gavin Scott
Founding member
I had a flesh coloured one stuck to my forehead coming through my hair, but only once. I have a tendancy to sweat and good mics are expensive!
But we digress...
But we digress...