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Ah... that was used by a certain Mr Grindon on his overnight BBC1 closedown blurry slow dancers mock. I still remember the weather forecast.
Would you prefer this former Ceefax track? 
Ah... that was used by a certain Mr Grindon on his overnight BBC1 closedown blurry slow dancers mock. I still remember the weather forecast.
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RK
JIP programs are usually repeats of mindless and or low rated programs and where you can start where ever they did and you don't really miss much. One of the standby shows for much of the NBC sports season was Superstore - a show where there are some laughs but you could pick up the plot.
I know joining recorded content in progress occasionally happens in the US when live sport overruns but it seems very peculiar (at least from a UK audience's perspective) to crash into a sitcom or drama part-way through. As mentioned, over here that only tends to happen when the nations are opting back into live coverage late or on sports channels where world feed or overseas coverage is being joined following an overrunning previous event.
JIP programs are usually repeats of mindless and or low rated programs and where you can start where ever they did and you don't really miss much. One of the standby shows for much of the NBC sports season was Superstore - a show where there are some laughs but you could pick up the plot.
SP
I always assumed that JIP was used where a local affiliate crashed back to network programming part way through, but you seem to be suggesting that it also happens where a standby programme is played from the appropriate point that it ends at the right time.
Over here they have filler programmes of various lengths that can be shown in various combinations to get the schedule back.
Over here they have filler programmes of various lengths that can be shown in various combinations to get the schedule back.
MA
JIP programs are usually repeats of mindless and or low rated programs and where you can start where ever they did and you don't really miss much.
Your TV really is one of contrasts! The US produces some superb, slow and complex plotline drama series, Fargo and Breaking Bad spring to mind, yet at the other end of scale you produce junk that can be dipped in and out of and be completely disposable. Mind you we do have brainless crap like that too, Jeremy Kyle's show probably being the best example.
What would happen if a quality progrramme was interrupted ? You can't miss even 30 seconds of some dramas, or don't the broadcasters care ?
JIP programs are usually repeats of mindless and or low rated programs and where you can start where ever they did and you don't really miss much.
Your TV really is one of contrasts! The US produces some superb, slow and complex plotline drama series, Fargo and Breaking Bad spring to mind, yet at the other end of scale you produce junk that can be dipped in and out of and be completely disposable. Mind you we do have brainless crap like that too, Jeremy Kyle's show probably being the best example.
What would happen if a quality progrramme was interrupted ? You can't miss even 30 seconds of some dramas, or don't the broadcasters care ?
RK
JIPs traditionally occur during syndicated local affiliate programming. Whether it is for continuous severe weather coverage (think tornadoes, hurricanes, even snowstorms as they bring viewers), breaking news, local sports rights (non national baseball games, or Monday Night Football) or actual network Special Reports (with all the Trump stuff it's occurs twice a week and last over an hour). The affiliates want things to run smoothly and many don't have equipment to delay syndicated programming or network programming. Joining a syndicated program in progress is much easier for the operators that way everything runs as normal.
For the networks it's generally about ease for them and afffiliates.
The networks they typically schedule the appropriate amount of time for sports but they can run long. In the NBC example above you could see that there was a program following the playoff game. Hockey is a bit unusual as some games are scheduled to end at 10pm ET - well within Network time and they typically schedule reruns (or a show that's low rated and no one cares about that they have to burn off) afterwards. This past year Saturday Night Hockey games that ended at 10PM usually had a classic Saturday Night Live afterwards. I think they only JIP'd once.
During Saturday's or Sunday's where sports run all afternoon and there may be more than one type of event everything will slide so nothing is missed. The producers and directors will usually do their best to delete non program elements (usually promos) but sometimes they still run long and interrupt local time at 6pm. There's a general 5 minute rule where if say a sports overrun is five minutes or less for the 6pm local program shrinks and the following network program (the evening news) airs in its entirety. If the over run is greater than five minutes the local program airs in its entirety and the network program shrinks. If the overrun is like 20 minutes or more the local program is usually tossed and the network goes to the network news. The same goes for Saturday night sports on NBC as at 11PM there's local news followed by a network program.
It's a bit confusing.
I always assumed that JIP was used where a local affiliate crashed back to network programming part way through, but you seem to be suggesting that it also happens where a standby programme is played from the appropriate point that it ends at the right time.
Over here they have filler programmes of various lengths that can be shown in various combinations to get the schedule back.
Over here they have filler programmes of various lengths that can be shown in various combinations to get the schedule back.
JIPs traditionally occur during syndicated local affiliate programming. Whether it is for continuous severe weather coverage (think tornadoes, hurricanes, even snowstorms as they bring viewers), breaking news, local sports rights (non national baseball games, or Monday Night Football) or actual network Special Reports (with all the Trump stuff it's occurs twice a week and last over an hour). The affiliates want things to run smoothly and many don't have equipment to delay syndicated programming or network programming. Joining a syndicated program in progress is much easier for the operators that way everything runs as normal.
For the networks it's generally about ease for them and afffiliates.
The networks they typically schedule the appropriate amount of time for sports but they can run long. In the NBC example above you could see that there was a program following the playoff game. Hockey is a bit unusual as some games are scheduled to end at 10pm ET - well within Network time and they typically schedule reruns (or a show that's low rated and no one cares about that they have to burn off) afterwards. This past year Saturday Night Hockey games that ended at 10PM usually had a classic Saturday Night Live afterwards. I think they only JIP'd once.
During Saturday's or Sunday's where sports run all afternoon and there may be more than one type of event everything will slide so nothing is missed. The producers and directors will usually do their best to delete non program elements (usually promos) but sometimes they still run long and interrupt local time at 6pm. There's a general 5 minute rule where if say a sports overrun is five minutes or less for the 6pm local program shrinks and the following network program (the evening news) airs in its entirety. If the over run is greater than five minutes the local program airs in its entirety and the network program shrinks. If the overrun is like 20 minutes or more the local program is usually tossed and the network goes to the network news. The same goes for Saturday night sports on NBC as at 11PM there's local news followed by a network program.
It's a bit confusing.
RK
Your TV really is one of contrasts! The US produces some superb, slow and complex plotline drama series, Fargo and Breaking Bad spring to mind, yet at the other end of scale you produce junk that can be dipped in and out of and be completely disposable. Mind you we do have brainless crap like that too, Jeremy Kyle's show probably being the best example.
What would happen if a quality progrramme was interrupted ? You can't miss even 30 seconds of some dramas, or don't the broadcasters care ?
Those two mentioned are cable shows.
As for quality or high rated broadcast programs if it was interrupted for an unexpected special report midway through I'd say they'd either pause it and slide the entire schedule if it wasn't long or if it takes up a significant amount of time through the completion of the show they'll reair it either over the weekend or next week. Consequently those in the west expecting a new show will be disappointed in seeing a rerun.
There was one event on CBS that ran an hour or two long they preempted one of their shows (I think The Good Wife) completely in the ET/CT and reran one in MT/PT. The delay in that case was too long, viewers likely tuned elsewhere and may not have known to tune in at 10:47 to see the start.
ABC is one network that's most likely to slide primetime for a special report (that's planned in advance like The State of The Union or a presidential address) and they are less willing to schedule coverable programming for it. I think on one occasion the State of the Union address was scheduled from 9-10:30 but coverage didn't end until about 10:50 and they insisted on airing the full 30 minute program.
Your TV really is one of contrasts! The US produces some superb, slow and complex plotline drama series, Fargo and Breaking Bad spring to mind, yet at the other end of scale you produce junk that can be dipped in and out of and be completely disposable. Mind you we do have brainless crap like that too, Jeremy Kyle's show probably being the best example.
What would happen if a quality progrramme was interrupted ? You can't miss even 30 seconds of some dramas, or don't the broadcasters care ?
Those two mentioned are cable shows.
As for quality or high rated broadcast programs if it was interrupted for an unexpected special report midway through I'd say they'd either pause it and slide the entire schedule if it wasn't long or if it takes up a significant amount of time through the completion of the show they'll reair it either over the weekend or next week. Consequently those in the west expecting a new show will be disappointed in seeing a rerun.
There was one event on CBS that ran an hour or two long they preempted one of their shows (I think The Good Wife) completely in the ET/CT and reran one in MT/PT. The delay in that case was too long, viewers likely tuned elsewhere and may not have known to tune in at 10:47 to see the start.
ABC is one network that's most likely to slide primetime for a special report (that's planned in advance like The State of The Union or a presidential address) and they are less willing to schedule coverable programming for it. I think on one occasion the State of the Union address was scheduled from 9-10:30 but coverage didn't end until about 10:50 and they insisted on airing the full 30 minute program.
EL
Are there any reports on the BBC News thing that actually make the point that it only went out like that on the News Channel? Foreign reports especially seem to think that we saw Huw on BBC1 for 4 whole minutes.
It's going to be one of those finicky things that we on here will correct people on for years to come when it comes up.
It's going to be one of those finicky things that we on here will correct people on for years to come when it comes up.
NT
A bit like the Sex Pistols/ Bill Grundy incident - few people recall it was only screened in London (on Thames' regional magazine Today).
Journalists love an excuse to talk about other journalists.
Still the BBC, though. And that's what matters. But yeah, in 20 years' time, I Love 2017 will feature a D-list celeb of the time mis-remembering a night watching BBC1...
I get the feeling this will become one of those misremembered myths in years to come. It will be forgotten that 99% of viewers didn't see Huw sat there for four minutes, as it only happened on the News Channel. The papers have already gone down this road as obviously that output makes for a better story.
A bit like the Sex Pistols/ Bill Grundy incident - few people recall it was only screened in London (on Thames' regional magazine Today).
I can't believe a BBC Technical problem would make the news in America
Journalists love an excuse to talk about other journalists.
Are there any reports on the BBC News thing that actually make the point that it only went out like that on the News Channel? Foreign reports especially seem to think that we saw Huw on BBC1 for 4 whole minutes.
It's going to be one of those finicky things that we on here will correct people on for years to come when it comes up.
It's going to be one of those finicky things that we on here will correct people on for years to come when it comes up.
Still the BBC, though. And that's what matters. But yeah, in 20 years' time, I Love 2017 will feature a D-list celeb of the time mis-remembering a night watching BBC1...
Last edited by Night Thoughts on 23 June 2017 12:51pm