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BBC National News: Presentation

(April 2008)

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HO
House
After the great criticisms of the six presenters 'prancing around' N6, and then them sitting George down, why is he back up again? Though I thought Huw standing in the sport/ E24 area of N6 added great unity and wouldn't make NC viewers think any differently.


EDIT: God those paper review and website promotion look dreadful on white. The same goes for NC's split screens.

P.S. One of the reasons I like the new N6/ TC7 background is because it's less distracting than N8, yet still moving and not too boring! Makes the reader focus very much on the presenter/ guest/ reporter.

Also, does anyone else think the backdrop has been edited rather than the screens themselves to hide the lines, baring in mind how noticeable graphics and weather backdrops show the lines!
RE
Reboot
imnogoth posted:
EDIT: God those paper review and website promotion look dreadful on white.

Looking at the paper review on the BBCi loop - did something go wrong there? Surely there should have been some sort of background (based on the titles) behind the papers rather than solid white...
NG
noggin Founding member
Bail posted:
JAH posted:
Maybe 6 o'clock is a crew changeover time?

There is no crew? Presenter, Floor Manager. I'm fairly sure remote cameras don't need a tea break. Gallery team can change whilst on air surely.


The News Channel - unlike News 24 - has a crew daytime. You may have noticed the lighting and camera framing has improved a lot - that is because there is a lighting/remote camera operator. There is also now a vision mixer.

That said - crew changeovers can, and do, takeover seamlessly.

It is worth remembering that BBC News used to operate a 24 hour news channel from a studio with a full crew for quite a few years. BBC World used to come from a studio for large chunks of the day - with lighting, vision, vision mixer etc. crew, until they moved into their current home in 1998.
NG
noggin Founding member
martinDTanderson posted:

Nice to know they can leave the 6 o'clock news should there be breaking news. But now is a good time for recording stand-up reports for the 10 O'Clock News


I doubt they will be recording PTCs in the News Channel studio for the Ten during the Six - it would lock them in to a 4 hour old script if they did so. More likely to record them in the CSO studio used for 60 Seconds and the Daytime summaries, or in the News Channel studio between 2130 and 2200 when BBC World provide a 30 minute news summary for the News Channel, to allow the Ten to rehearse and record.
CH
chris
Also just seen a "Get the Weather every half hour" promo.
MA
Markymark
gregmc posted:
50 Sec Countdown into BBC News at Ten.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOhhy3ky1JQ


From the BBC Editor’s blog on BBC News design changes:

Quote:
35. At 10:04 am on 21 Apr 2008, Jonathan-Brooks wrote:

Whilst everything is very nice, you've NOT CHANGED ONE OF THE MOST BASIC PROBLEMS!

On BBC News (24), there is a countdown to each hour, before the hourly headlines. The countdown is displayed on screen in seconds, tenths of a second and hundredths of a second. The tenths of a second numbers count down incorrectly - only displaying the digits 2, 1 and 0 - whereas the hundredths are done properly. Watch it and you'll see what I mean.

So come on, it can't be that hard if you can do it for the hundredths, and it's such a stupid error.


I suppose there's no one on the BBC Website technical enough to explain how 625/50 video works Smile
ZS
ZiggyShadowDust
Anne MacKenzie Fan posted:
ashley b posted:
http://www.thisisfive.co.uk/presbits/bbcnews2008/43.jpg

And the video as seen from the North West:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTJNgx9lnu4

Notice they've changed the announcement too.


I knew it - what a mess with the '1' and the '6' was the same. The figures are faint and look silly - they would have been better putting BBC News at One, BBC News at Six and BBC News at Ten to the left of the globe or just leave the numbers out.

I also wonder why have we a Gills Sans overload yet there is another font for the '1', '6' and '10'? ...it just does not make sense!

A very poor rebrand...and I will not even start on Reporting Scotland...what a dog's breakfast!! Mad


The titles at the end should have LONDON, EDINBURGH, CARDIFF, and BELFAST only. This time we have the world.
MB
Media Boy
noggin posted:
martinDTanderson posted:

Nice to know they can leave the 6 o'clock news should there be breaking news. But now is a good time for recording stand-up reports for the 10 O'Clock News


I doubt they will be recording PTCs in the News Channel studio for the Ten during the Six - it would lock them in to a 4 hour old script if they did so. More likely to record them in the CSO studio used for 60 Seconds and the Daytime summaries, or in the News Channel studio between 2130 and 2200 when BBC World provide a 30 minute news summary for the News Channel, to allow the Ten to rehearse and record.


Or TC7 before Newsnight... as they did last night...
NG
noggin Founding member
Media Boy posted:
noggin posted:
martinDTanderson posted:

Nice to know they can leave the 6 o'clock news should there be breaking news. But now is a good time for recording stand-up reports for the 10 O'Clock News


I doubt they will be recording PTCs in the News Channel studio for the Ten during the Six - it would lock them in to a 4 hour old script if they did so. More likely to record them in the CSO studio used for 60 Seconds and the Daytime summaries, or in the News Channel studio between 2130 and 2200 when BBC World provide a 30 minute news summary for the News Channel, to allow the Ten to rehearse and record.


Or TC7 before Newsnight... as they did last night...


Yep - that is also an option.
BA
Bail Moderator
noggin posted:
The News Channel - unlike News 24 - has a crew daytime. You may have noticed the lighting and camera framing has improved a lot - that is because there is a lighting/remote camera operator. There is also now a vision mixer.

Oh, well thats good to know. Not all jobs can be taken over my a computer then .
TL
TLS
Sorry to sound silly but have I got this right - all the national news are now sharing their studio with the BBC News Channel?

Also how did the old News 24 get by without a vision mixer?
NG
noggin Founding member
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TLS">Sorry to sound silly but have I got this right - all the national news are now sharing their studio with the BBC News Channel?

No - the One and Ten share, the Six remains in the Newsround/Newsnight studio, as it has been since January.
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Also how did the old News 24 get by without a vision mixer?


They did different wipe effects to the News Channel (and as World still use)

I'm not saying that the 10 year old mixers used by News 24 and World are ancient and antique models - they are still perfectly usable mixers (and in fact are a standard model used in many other studios - the Sport galleries have two similar models) - and it is possible to achieve excellent effects if you add extra kit (as the BBC One and Newsround/Newsnight galleries got a couple of years ago to add flashier wipes - as used by Newsround, Newsnight and the previous One/Six/Ten and titles with key reveals etc.)

The new mixers that the News Channel and Newsround/Newsnight studio have incorporate animation stores with keys - so that short wipe effects can be stored in the mixer.

The old News 24 and World mixers can only do standard mixer wipes - though the borders of these wipes can be filled with external video sources (as the current World and previous News 24 headline wipes employed)

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